Recent comments in /f/headphones

davkol_cz OP t1_j2jwwdn wrote

At this point in life, I can tolerate the noise… after years of meditation practice and equipped with hearing protection. Our dogs manage alright too.

The litter's all over the place, although that's not exclusive to fireworks.

However, it's a significant source of pollution and disrupts wildlife.

Meanwhile, I don't think fireworks are all that impressive anymore, you know, having access to a modern movie theater, and there are less harmful alternatives, such as laser shows.

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davkol_cz OP t1_j2izzao wrote

I obviously hate fireworks.

Superlux HD-665 are essentially hearing protectors, combined with Superlux drivers and marketed for drummers. As headphones, they sound decent albeit very bass-heavy, at least the highs aren't as fatiguing as for example HD-681B's though. Comfort is similar to other relatively cheap hearing protectors. The main weakness is a flimsy rubber-coated cable, the short one that comes out of the left can.

The source is rockboxed Sansa Clip Zip with an old C&C BH portable amp that I use mainly for convenience, specifically volume control and preserving the clip's own very tight jack… it does improve bass a little too though.

And of course there's the beanbag-like stress-relief penguin.

I hate fireworks.

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AntOk463 t1_j2hkdk8 wrote

I don't think it's with the goal of better imaging or soundstage. Having the drivers point towards your ears is better. It's like comparing speakers placed in front of you with speakers placed behind you, the ones properly facing you fun the front are better.

Also he asked about different head shapes and people wanting different angels. Gyrations aren't set to an angle, they have some rotation in the cups that can change delegating on who is wearing them, I'm thinking of the Hifiman Arya design that allows for infinite rotation of the cups. Even the Beyerdynamic DT 770 lineup has some rotation for the earcups.

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The_D0lph1n t1_j2hf5s4 wrote

Maybe. I didn't notice the weird imaging on the Elex to the extent that my friend did. I also wasn't impressed with the soundstage on the Sennheiser HD800S: it was the widest I'd heard by a small margin, but the increase in frontal depth didn't match the increase in width. I thought that many Hifiman headphones have a better soundstage presentation despite having flat drivers.

One interesting example would be the Ultrasone headphones and their S-Logic system. The drivers are not only angled, but placed lower and fire upwards at the ear. For some people, this produces a much wider soundstage. But other people's ears just don't work with S-Logic, so all they hear is a screechy mess.

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The_D0lph1n t1_j2hdl4n wrote

Not all Beyers have flat drivers. The T1 line uses an angled driver inside the ear cup. Focal, Audio Technica, Sony, and some other brands also have models with angled drivers.

From what I've heard, the difference is not as pronounced as audiophiles think it is. Yes, it changes how the sonic wavefront interacts with your ears, but that does not intrinsically produce better soundstage or imaging. I've also seen cases where an angled driver actually hurts imaging accuracy by over-focusing frontal sounds and creating a dead zone to the sides (the Stax SR-L700mk2 has this, and my friend reported the same effect on the Focal Elex).

In headphones, you rarely can say that X feature always makes B property better. Feature X can improve that property if used in conjuction with other features that also help produce that property, but you can't take any feature in isolation and make claims about a headphone's performance from that.

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lr_science OP t1_j2fxmua wrote

Thanks for your response! I've read parts of that paper now and it's interesting, albeit only concerned with FR. I'm aware that different ears have different signal modulations and that paper shows this quite well (although I wish the plots were digital color images to see individual traces). However, "finding the perfect tune" isn't my concern here.

>Frequency response is the only measurement that matters for headphones (CSD and waterfall are useless).

This is much more what I'm after -- why are they useless in your opinion?

>I recommend trying two separate headphones and EQing them to the same target and you'll experience that they sound differently in areas other than tonal balance.

Yes, that's my starting point for this. Precisely because there is more to a headphone than timbre, I want to know how these things can be measured. RTINGS measures a bunch of things (as listed in the first post), although none of that relates to dynamics, and a few things aren't perfectly clear to me, plus I don't know how agreed upon their methods are in the headphone world.

BTW my comparison was between the 990s and 1990s, which have very comparable timbre, but the 1990s have what I would describe as a larger dynamic range, faster response, better imaging, and cleaner sound. Or the other way around, the 990s sound a little lush and sluggish in comparison.

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StrnglyCoincdtl t1_j2fwxyj wrote

Love the build quality of these headphones. Plastic cups are really rigid, the leather headband feel quite premium and after a year of heavy use velour pads don't look worn at all. These are build to last. And I secretly love the 'shouty' sound signature.

I have headphones that sound better than these, but I don't need to treat dt770 like an egg. They are not going to break. Probobly ever (and if, they are designed with every part to be replaceable!!!). And that makes them my daily drivers for my PC.

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