It's quite good, but there are plenty of great options between here and there.

Thanks!

It's ironic that Mio being bassist and using open back headphones with weak bass.

Ooo interesting, it's quite expensive

I don't have experience with either of those, I'm a crinacle fanboy and my favorite headphone is the blessing 2 dusk.

Before I got into the audiophile world I started with wired headphones, got tired of them and went wireless. After a while I got tired of the wireless ones because of battery issues I had I went back to wired and I won't go back for anything I'll use for serious listening. But I do have a set of true wireless earbuds for work

I was thinking of using the refund money to get the Shuoer S12 pro, is it similar to the kz zsn pro x?

You just don't love them, that's all. The good thing is you now have a point of reference to work from, so now you find out what people with similar opinions ended up going with.

What about Edition XS Vs the 1990 pro? They have similar sound profile but it seems to me that the Beyer is much higher in build quality and feels, also less expensive.

Well... Just because you and 2 of your friends not using it doesn't mean it's dead

There are billions of people around the world you know?

There is nothing to hear. It's a cable. Cables don't change the sound of headphones. THAT is a scientific FACT :)

As a fellow ESP owner with Vesper pads, I would not sweat it.

Yeah it's an estat thing. TBH I don't recall noticing it on my ESP-95X, but I demoed an Audeze CRBN at CanJam and literally thought the headphone might be broken. Wasn't an occasional if-I-move-my-head-just-so sorta thing, it was as ever-present as the swish of a swishy jacket.

BTW, I graphed the ESP with stock and those Vesper pads, the pads do good stuff! https://squig.link/headphones/?share=Super_OE_Target,Koss_ESP-95X,Koss_ESP-95X_(Vesper)

So you have heard the Super Conductor cable ?

Yeah, I take my Airpods out and spend a little quality time listening to music at work on IEMs with the Qudelix 5K. It is essentially as convenient other than phone calls, but those are rare while I'm working, so when it's slow, I listen to some music.

I use my Airpod Pro 2s as daily drivers for most things, and I use Airpod Max at my desktop (Mac mini, lol) for general use, but I spend time each day mindfully listening to music on wired sets.

Same! In an age of good TWS options from $100 and up and wired IEMs at $20 that sound great, I am surprised at how many people I see with decade-old MP3 player nuggets in their ears.

Headphones with mics on a pole (called a boom mic, and the whole thing is usually called a headset) are usually superior for calls.

The microphone is in the best position to record one’s voice: directly in front of the mouth. You can get very clear speech.

For me, the more important distinction is the mic ONLY records where it’s pointed to. Everything else doesn’t get recorded, at least on good headsets. No one on the other end of the line can tell if you’re in a noisy office or cafe. When I’m wearing my Jabra headset, someone could be talking to me and the mic won’t pick it up.

Headphones with built-in mics in the cups will record almost everything. Better ones have beam-forming to focus on your mouth but it’s not perfect (at least today). Because the mic is further away from your mouth, it (1) can’t record as clear and (2) needs to figure out what needs to be recorded vs ignored. They’re mostly fine in quiet environments, but people will have a hard time listening to you if you’re in a noisy one.

You can compare mic recordings from something “high end” like Sony XM5 vs a basic Razer Kraken headset. It’s a huge difference.

Not at all, I buy and sell probably 30 pairs a year and just keep the highlights, even those get sold later on, for the last 5 years I’ve only bought 4 pairs of wireless

Read properly. I said 6+3+41 IEMs bought over a period of 25 years. It is not unusual.

No they aren't and I really hope it stays that way.

Headphones get traded all the time, headphones stick around for years and years all the time. People have well over a decade old HD600s, Beyers, etc.

The vast majority of wireless headphones are inherently disposable garbage. Once the battery is dead, people throw them away, and even if you could replace the battery, with different levels of effort, a lot of people won't bother.

I really don't like things that are made to be disposable and I'm not going to buy wireless headphones because of that.

I don't believe you own 50 headphones.

I have a TWS or two - heading out to walk to the shop, I hear 'battery low' and I know that my music will be punctuated by this warning every 20 seconds until the things turn off. Not very convenient.

The popularity of TWS is due to perceived convenience sure, but how much of its popularity is because people have no choice? I went out of my way to get a V20 phone back in 2018 because it has a headphone socket (gasp), but most people will blindly just buy what's put in front of them.

They're a seperate market segment at this point

Not in the slightest I think. This happens when a new wave of convenience rolls through. People have always been forced into a format or form factor that they wouldn't prefer simply because it's the best they have access to. People moved from books to TV when it became possible, but the book lovers didn't go anywhere.

I feel it's the same way here. People who would've chosen a more convenient route this whole time now are able to. People who want quality over all else are still around.

Also I suspect that many people fall into both camps at the same time. I never take my niece cans outside, only TWS ever leaves the house. As long as I'm chilling at home however, the nice stuff comes out.