But you are using a HD650?

Audio technica AD900Xs and do a cable mod on them

In the context of gaming none of these - HD6 series is great for a lot of reasons, but notorious for having very intimate and close soundstage.

HD800 is the king of soundstage and imaging, but if thats not in your budget you're looking at one of the AKGs or a Hifiman Edition XS (great soundstage width, height not so much).

Since you are coming from 560 which is super easy to power I will add this: I have only auditioned the AKGs at a shop, never owned one so i can't comment about if a dac/amp is required, but bear in mind the XS absolutely requires a dedicated amp regardless of whatever anyone will try and tell you, without an amp it WILL sound very congested and that is if it even gets to happy listening volumes, so please bear in mind if you are on a strict budget.

Check your DMs then

I'm experimenting with them, that's why.

But none of these has ears?

Check your DMs

It won't sound exactly the same because of HRTF differences brought about by the cup style, the clamp levels, the driver type used (Planar Vs Dynamic) but it will have the similarities of an HD600 after...

But why though?

I'd send the preset to your DMs soon

How do I EQ it to sound like a HD600?

Hifiman Edition XS destroys any AKG, Ath or most sennheisers. Its neck to neck with 3 times expensive hd800 on sound quality.

QUOTE FROM RTINGS. FYI Sundara is worse version of XS.

>The HiFiMan Sundara 2020 are better for neutral sound than the AKG K712 PRO. The HiFiMan have a more neutral, well-balanced sound profile, which some listeners may prefer. Their passive soundstage is also perceived as bigger and more open. On the other hand, the AKG come with a longer, 10-foot audio cable. They're also much more breathable.

HIFIMAN EDITION XS VS SENNHEISER HD 800 RTINGS.COM they are comparable to 3 times expensive headphones which is nobrainer choice

>The Sennheiser HD 800 S and the HiFiMan Edition XS are both excellent audiophile headphones with slight differences. The Sennheiser headphones have dynamic transducers, are more comfortable and well-built. They also have a slightly better mid accuracy, which ensures that vocals and lead instruments sound clear, accurate, and natural, while their passive soundstage creates a more out-of-head audio experience. In comparison, the HiFiMan are planar magnetic headphones. Thanks to their design, they're able to reproduce bass more accurately. They also deliver audio even more consistently than the Sennheiser.

>If you have a low impedence headphone or IEM and used high gain you would probably get distortion.
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>However, if you used high gain and an EQ and reduced the gain output on the EQ side you might get better results.

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

I can help with the EQ

i value the imaging more than sound stage. hd-6 line has decent imaging, I would easily tell where players were in valorant and i was using the HD-58X, id imagine the 660S to be even better.

i tried my 560S in valorant also and didn't like them, but it was probably because I was used to using the 58X for years before and not being accustomed to its presentation.

Welcome to Audiofoolia

It's that easy really.

660s is better than 560s for music and I find it just as good for gaming. Have them both on my desk right now.

For gaming, 560S is the best out of everything you mentioned

For music, you can EQ 560S to be nearly indistinguishable from the others

No point in upgrading

Although I have AKG K702, I most often use Koss KSC75 for games, especially when virtual surround is engaged (Creative's SXFI or Sony's 3d Audio on PS5). There is just something about how they present spatial cues that I like at lot. And with SXFI's EQ they actually have bass.

Certainly worth a try I think and unlike most bigger headphones, they stick to your ears well and don't fall off - so are quite nice when doing house work and still wanting to hear your surroundings.

The Beyerdynamic DT770, DT880, DT990 are also well known for for their imaging capabilities. Have a listen if you can, maybe this presentation is what would work for you.

Also, for Sony's 3d Audio in supported games, I find AKG K371 doing surprisingly well. What I perceive in such circumstances is very good understanding of sound direction and sense of space. Great example of this are Returnal and Horizon Forbidden West. I guess the K371's accuracy help a lot. And their bass works well in games if you don't have any equalizer in your chain.

That's odd. I find the TYGR to be extremely accurate in terms of imaging. Now I haven't tried the PC38X but considering that I can usually tell the exact position, distance and movement direction of other players or NPCs with the TYGR I'd really like to know how that can be "blown out of the water". Either way I don't think you can really change imaging performance of a headphone in any meaningful way.

Yeah, I feel that, for that price of those tho I would've have just bought a pair of Genelecs and called it a day.

Agreed with u/klogg4 here.

I love my HD650, and I did a lot of gaming with them. But, the 6xx series is not the best with spatial cues or separation.

If you only want to own one pair of cans, primarily for music with only some casual gaming, they're hard to beat.

If you think having a dedicated pair of cans for gaming will suddenly make you an eSports God, then the HD6xx series won't satisfy you.

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Btw can someone explain why Akgs increased in price? I remember seeing k612 around 150-ish and 712 around 200-ish. Now 612 is 200 and 712s are much higher.

HD600 has a truly pleasant, classic, and honest midrange frequency response that is the best in the sennheiser HD6 line. While it does have a little rolled off sub bass and some veil of the treble, and the soundstage isn’t very large like the AKG’s … it’s truly great for intimate genres of music.

Sennheiser soundstage and directional imaging under $500 … simply aren’t anywhere near as large or expansive or detailed in that space, when compared to AKG in the same price range.