That’s making the assumption there is a god that did something… seems more likely a tale spread around the Hebrew people to unify them against a common enemy, the Egyptians.

sorry, my first language is not english so I didn't really understand the last part of the comment.

otherwise I also read something about the chinese using granades, but not much (please take into account that I made some searches on the internet and found nothing, so perhaps if I dug deeper I would Have found that info)

Other than that, thanks for the info, I will keep on searching about that.

Thank you this was really really interesting! I hope you gave some sources though.

Thank you!

I got interested too. There's a pdf-link for "Le premier manuscrit du Livre d’Hénoch" scrolling down in the https://michaellanglois.org/publications/the-first-manuscript-of-the-book-of-enoch-an-epigraphical-and-philological-study-of-the-aramaic-fragments-of-4q201-from-qumran_le-premier-manuscrit-du-livre-dhenoch-etude-epigraphique-et-philologi/

How many intact historical records do we have from that era though from any culture? Approximately 12-13th century BCE. Genuinely curious.

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thank you for sharing this! Really interesting; though the article is referring to more than 1 topics that are causing the need for further search

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There is no historical evidence of Jews in Egypt prior to the establishment of the military outpost on Elephantine Island around 700 BCE, which was about 800 years after the last pyramid was built.

And if that weren't enough, there is a ton of Semitic graffiti on the walls of mines we know were worked by slaves.

As most have already noted grenades were not beneficial in open field or line combat which was the method of the day. A grenade is effective to 25m which puts the thrower in danger if they're not able to utilize cover. Grenades are perfect for CQB, and room clearing. Naval combat used them extensively cause of the nature of room clearing onboard a ship. If you stick your face through a hatch to see if it's empty you risk getting your head blown off, so it's better to drop a grenade through it and clear it with violence rather than vision. As warfare evolved into what it is with soldiers utilizing cover, trench warfare and city warfare the use of the grenade excelerated because it's more useful in those environments.

You’re fighting a hard fight on Reddit.

If you’re the home team and you got completely embarrassed by the away teams God, you probably wouldn’t document it either.

Ancient cultures would intentionally leave out anything detrimental to the history of the nation.

I took a class on the archaeology of the ancient Near East in college and I remember both the professor and the text book talking about archaeological evidence that might support the exodus - or at least the movement of ancient Israelite people to Israel. But the numbers were in the low thousands, i want to say it was even under 2k. And there wasn't anything remarkable about it. I wish I remember the details, its been over two decades. But basically a couple lines in Egyptian records and then the broader archaeological evidence in the Levant.

The Hebrews didn't grow grain though (Edit: if that's what you mean by grain records. If you're talking about storage records, then even then we might not find mention of the Hebrews since they weren't involved in that either). Exodus clearly states they helped construct the store cities at Pithom and Pi-Ramses. They also likely lived at Avaris, which we know was occupied by Asiatic people before it was suddenly abandoned during the reign of Ramses II. Avaris also had an imperial palace there where Seti I lived while he was Vizier, so it's not like it was a small town. The scriptorium at Avaris was excavated and no written records were found.

There's plenty more evidence than just "grain records". Even so, most of the sources for the 19th dynasty of Egypt are inscriptions on temples, stele, and stone tablet. The climate of the capital region is simply not conducive to the long term survival of paper documents so it's not surprising that we don't find any such records.

The Pentateuch has a higher number of Egyptian loan-words than the other Levantine languages and mentions 40 place names that are specific to the 19th dynasty. This suggests that the author was more familiar with Egyptian language than people living in the Levant. Many Israelite traditions are also distinctly Egyptian such as the purification rituals, the dietary aversion to pork, and the design of ritual furniture like the Arc of the Covenant and Tabernacle.

We also have the Mernephtah Stele, which records Mernephtah's defeat of Israel in 1208 BC, the late bronze destruction of Hazor, the late bronze destruction of Jericho, and the Mt. Ebal altar, which are all consistent with the conquest of Canaan as described in Joshua. Kathleen Kenyon's middle bronze destruction doesn't fit with the text and we now know from Lorenzo Nigro's excavation that Jericho was occupied during the late bronze age before being destroyed. Kenyon's finding indicate site leveling during the Iron Age, which could be what is mentioned in 1 Kings 16:34 where Hiel of Bethel lays a new foundation and rebuilds Jericho.

Ramses II also stopped going on campaign during the later part of his reign and Egyptian influence eroded so much that the Philistines were able to move in and take over the coast. This is consistent with the loss of a major part of his chariot core as described in Exodus.

It's not conclusive, but to say there is no evidence of the Exodus basically ignores the last 50 years of scholarship.

They were used extensively in naval warfare, dropping a grenade down a hatch was very effective, but these were fuse lit and some what unreliable

In Open field battles you could not huck them very far and you were exposed to enemy arrows and other fire

In closed quarters they had some use

But in the field a cannon was far better

Are you taking about grenades? Its been used for a while - there are Byzantine examples that date around the 8th century.

They also were widely used in the 15th and 16th century for defense of castles. Then by the 17th century, Grenadier's were standard in almost all European armies.

So unless you do not mean grenades, Im confused as to where you're researching they did not exist in those timeframes.

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Grenade type stuff was definitely used since around gun powders use wherever it was present.

But Iike you said, part of it was the danger of using early grenades.

Part of it was the practicality of them in line warfare. You’re standing in lines shooting at each other. By the time you’re close enough to light and throw a grenade you’re probably dead lol.

There were times grenade type things were used, but not often in typical line warfare because the style of war just didn’t work out well for their use

Well Jewish history is of course much much older than Christian history. Some, but not very much, of Jewish history is commonly held as the foundation of Christianity.

It's also worth pointing out that Jewish history is both the history of a people and of a religion, and while they overlap a lot, the history of the people is bigger.

Christianity as most of us know it developed mostly independently of Judaism after the destruction of the temple. There was a divide that formed fairly quickly between the Jewish and gentile followers of Christ. You can see this happening in the New Testament in places like the book of James, where James is disagreeing with Paul somewhat on works vs faith. In other places you'll find Paul telling the gentile Christian that they should not be circumcised nor follow the Law because they are not Jewish. This was not a popular opinion among many Jewish followers of Jesus. The divide really takes off though when Rome starts persecuting Jews but not yet Christians, and Jewish followers of Jesus get scooped up in that, while Gentile ones likely avoided association for protection from persecution. The loss of their ties to Judaism left a huge gap in the early formation of Christian theology.. access to the texts.

Which brings us back to this article. With a more complete lens to look at the early formation of scripture (and a more generous orthodoxy to leave room for what it can teach us) students of the history of both Judaism and of Christianity will have more opportunity for growing together, as we should have been all along.

They weren’t exactly defeated… not in any kind of military sense. And no grain records, which we have, show the loss of 10,000 slaves. That’s what we have to work with.

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It used to be thought that David and Solomon were legendary figures since the only sources for them are the Old Testament (aka "except for the evidence, there is no evidence"), but then the Tel Dan stele was discovered in 1993.

The stele only exists in fragments and dates to the 9th century BC, likely erected by Hazael, King of Aram-Damascus, though the speaker is unknown. The relevant portion of the stele likely reads "I killed Jehoram, son of Ahab King of Israel, and Ahaziah, son of Jehoram King of the House of David". Jehoram and Ahaziah are referenced as kings of Judah in 2 Kings 8:16-29. Ahab is mentioned as the King of Israel in 1 Kings 16:28-29, on the Kurkh Stele documenting the Battle of Qarqar, and on the Moabite Stone.

And . . . some other things