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bangdazap t1_j5pwprj wrote

You might enjoy A Bright Shining Lie - John Paul Van and the American War in Vietnam by Neil Sheehan, a colleague of Halberstam's during the early part of the Vietnam War. It covers the early part of the Vietnam War, through the lens of US adviser to the RVN John Paul Van.

Another colleague of Halberstam's was Michael Herr, who wrote Dispatches (I think it's a collection of reports he filed during the war). More of an impressionistic picture of the war, less of a history. You might recognize some of the scenes from the film Apocalypse Now from this book (IIRC, it was a while since I read it).

Not a history of the war, but William W. Prochnau's Once Upon a Distant War is a story about the young journalists (Halberstam among them) who caused the US government so much grief through their reporting on the Vietnam War. Find out why some called it "Halberstam's War".

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GSilky t1_j5p8ci0 wrote

Would actively deciding what to save become something that ends up biasing future historical exploration to the point that it makes the enterprise dubious? The sites we have for study are completely random, and that definitely biases our view of the past. Think about the generations of people in the deccan who built and lived with perishable material that have no record beyond the impact they had on people who built with stone, or how we pay so much attention to a hundred year period of Roman history but can't figure out where Valerian was at certain crucial engagements because of the sources available. Would the process of saving sites not create a similar issue in the future?

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GSilky t1_j5p7g1h wrote

Sometimes a society's culture is developed in relation to it's competitors. For example the USA adopted it's motto and several patriotic rituals in response to the Soviet Union. Is there an example of this with Rome in regards to the Parthians/Persians? Was there anything of note that developed in Rome based on the challenges Parthia presented beyond military strategy? I don't mean "popular in Persia and it spread", but like "In god we trust" being stamped on money as a direct response to the perceived stance of the competition?

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mobyhex t1_j5p7607 wrote

I'm on my 3rd time through the audiobook version of The Best and the Brightest by David Halberstam. Anyone else enjoy this book? Just absolutely THEE most enjoyable book I have ever read. I'm trying to figure out what makes me keep coming back to this book and wondering if there are any others like it out there.

I love it because:

  • It's a deeply personal take by a great writer
  • It's has an ambitious breadth and tells a wide range of interconnected stories - I thoroughly enjoy his approach - I never felt quite lost - but by the end I always want to start over.
  • It concentrates on all the 2nd to 5th tier policy people who made the Vietnam tragedy possible
  • I love Cold War history
  • The narrator on this audiobook is just a perfect match for the content
  • There's a kind of a smarmy, joyous glee in bringing some of these people down to scale. I just listened to the stuff on McGeorge Bundy and couldn't get enough.
  • It's a breathtakingly tragic story in the end - so many steps along the way - so many had a hand in letting this inch on and on.
  • Love the stuff on China, the background on losing China.

I've never encountered a book that gave me such a thorough understanding of events while at the same time being a thoroughly enjoyable experience. Are there other history/nonfiction authors like this?

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ThaBeardedMan t1_j5ozw91 wrote

Hello people!

I’ve been reading a lot on the Renaissance lately and have been fascinated with the Florentine society called The Company of the Cauldron. I’m trying to find some sort of emblem/logo/insignia for it but I’ve had no luck. Was just wondering if anyone can help me out with my search!

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[deleted] t1_j5ojmpc wrote

in 1952 alan turing was arrested for acknowledging a sexual relationship between him and his male partner to the police during a burglary investigation. they gave him a choice of prison or undergo hormone therapy to receive probation. he chose probation and was forcibly administered diethylstilbistrol (estrogen medication) for one year. he developed breast tissue and became impotent. could be unrelated but he committed suicide in 1954

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RocketButters t1_j5ohi6y wrote

Compared to the US what period in time is China in economically?

I felt like there are a lot of parallels between China and the US. China is a country currently shifting away from being a low-quality producer and becoming a country with an exploding middle class, growing domestic brands, and a ton of innovation. At what point in US history were we similar to that?

Would this be like a roaring 20s or is there a period in the US that more closely parallels?

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IllustriousArcher199 t1_j5ogek2 wrote

States of desire by Edmund White was a pretty good. He writes about the state of gay life in different states, and he particularly mentions Utah. Of course, things have changed, but it gives you a sense of life for gay men in different states and cities pre 1980s.

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MeatballDom t1_j5nvluh wrote

Not really worried. Even if/when AI Bots start writing history books they still will have to be reviewed. Already today we have humans writing Nazi apologetics and it hasn't changed the scholarly view of Nazism. I do particularly love (odd word choice but I can't think of a better one) the books from the late 40s that have apologies in them that the research was delayed due to the Nazis, imprisonment, being forbidden from working because they were Jewish, fighting a war, etc. it's so casual and yet so impactful.

Our main job as historians is to evaluate evidence, we look at at the sources and don't just repeat what they say but examine it. In my work I go down to the very words they use. I've written ~50 pages on ~50 word passages before. So far what we've seen with AI bots (and spotting them quickly) is some very odd word choice.

So as long as we continue to have historians, and as long as we continue to examine these works -- no matter when, where, by who or what they written, then the field really isn't in danger.

Is there a threat to the general public? Sure. But again, no more than the already available things out there, and the fringe and extremists groups pushing it.

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skweetis__ t1_j5nl5cw wrote

"this is exaggeration to a hyperbolic endpoint"

"journalists want to perpetually re-prosecute generations-old crimes"

" they should be perpetually prosecuted for the women and children Shaka slaughtered"

It's actually an article in a magazine we're talking about here, not prosecuting people for genocide, but do go on about hyperbole. It's clear that talking about these crimes of the past is threatening to you. The question is why. I have a guess!

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ifsck t1_j5nk8om wrote

IIRC there was part of Bayon that had been cataloged and the stones from crumbled sections were marked and laid in adjacent open areas by an archeological team, then the records were lost during the Khmer Rouge regime. When I went in 2009 there were blocks with numbers everywhere but no one knew exactly where they went or how to fit them together again.

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