>Their nationality was Jewish.

Not true. Their ethnicity and religion were Jewish. Their nationality/citizenship were Polish. No one's nationality was 'Jewish' then.

And many French Generals thought Germany couldn't get past the Minot Line and didn't anticipate Big Bertha.

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Yeah, we did. Just like with all the other nationalities. It wasn't necessarily a bad thing, the second republic was incredibly diverse.

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Not that we have any particular information about. Also, consider the difference in the scope/possibilities of (mass) communication. The Cold War, in its global context in an age of mass information, had implications we simply don't see replicated in the past.

Okay, so lol - no. It was not.

We had this little thing that can amount to pretty much occupation by USSR called PRL, that next to no one will defend on the ground we "decided for ourselves".

Before war it had one of the biggest amount of Jewish citizenry in the world, and a lot of our bigger cities had pretty sizeable influence left behind by some. Łódź is one for example, lol.

yes no one is denying that but the dilution of responsibilies make things happen it's not that french policemen went and killed everyone, they were sent to camps in Germany as far as they knew (after 1943 Germans were in charge for everything )

French didn't slaughtered those jews though nor asked to.

Vichy France was a racist dictatorial regime, that became a fascist one after 1943, people were bad.

France doesn't try to whitewash anything, French student learn everything about the collaboration, what Vichy France did, etc.. the horror in colonies, the racist state there, the racist state of Vichy.

No problem talking about resistance fighters murdered or political prisoners.

75% of jews on french territory survived

>Rare find...

I feel like I see this as much as Slams and Quietly appear in headlines too.

Sweden, Denmark and Albania managed to save their Jews.

Your numbers sound good like this but they don’t account for the 72,000 rounded up and slaughtered.

Shall we talk about the political prisoners now? Resistance fighters that were murdered?

I wouldn’t care as much if France didn’t try and whitewash what they were involved with.

That’s 72,000 Jews still murdered.

72,000 people, were rounded up and slaughtered like pigs.

Numerous witness accounts of the poles hunting down Jews for the Germans though, even polish people who hid Jews never revealed it because they didn’t want the wrath from their own countrymen.

No one could go against the Germans!

Albania and Denmark and Sweden showed it could be done.

Interestingly Albania was the only European country to have more jews at the end of the war than when it began, how amazing is that!

75% of jews in France survived though, including 70,000 hidden children.

It's true that France before 1943 was still struggling to act as if the French Police (essentially in the northern part of France officially "occupied" area where Vichy didn't have much control) was still in control, so they were responsible to arrest jews (they literally asked for it to the germans). There was no really way to know what would become of them though, jews didn't really know either. Quota asked by the germans were never fulfilled though. Lots of french policemen could help some families still pretending to arrest, some policemen just did as asked. Even in places like the Vel d'Hiv were jews where regrouped some people just "walk away" while policemen were looking the other way.

Things like "also arresting the children" was seen as they would go to work camps with families, people thought that if you keep families together with children it would mean they wouldn't kill everyone, why bother? That's all those subtle decisions and the dilution of responsibilities that makes things like shoah possible in the end.

Some people though understood exactly what the horror mean and did everything they can to hide / go out of camps.

1 million french soldiers were emprisonned in Germany and the germans used them as bargaining chips.

70,000 children from jewish families were hidden by french people, you can imagine how many people needs to be kept in secret and not tell anything to the authorities.

There were 350,000 jewish people on French territory in 1940, 100,000 of them were "foreign" jews that were not born French. France deported 75,000 of them (2,000 survived), mostly "foreign jews".

It was not Vichy as a whole but more people working in the administration etc..

Pétain didn't care about jews, he just not want to be seen deporting french people. So foreign jews were given without a blink from Pétain.

Poles didn't surrender. It was a lost cause and many died but the next invader will know it won't be easy.

Poland had a population of around 3.5 million Jews before WW2, of those around 90% were wiped out by the Nazis. If it was as antisemitic as you seem to think it was, that population would have never grown so large.

Now unfortunately, right after one antisemitic regime was toppled, a second replaced it. The cult of Stalin, the Soviets. Communist Poland was a puppet state that was forced into carrying out Stalin’s policies, a lot of which were incredibly anti semitic. However that regime also eventually fell, leaving modern Poland to govern itself.

There isn’t a huge population of Jews anymore because of the tragedies during the 20th century, a lot of people don’t immigrate to Poland Jewish or not, so it’s not surprising the population hasn’t risen. People are far more likely to leave Poland instead

>did the right thing

some French people did the right thing. France turned over more Jews per capita than Germany ever did. The overwhelming majority of the French police, military, and government took to the Vichy regime without much complaint.

"And the ones that survived were not welcome back, because Poland" was under soviet occupation for the next ~50 years

And the ones that survived were not welcome back, because Poland didn't like their jews either.

There are more jews today in Germany, Austria, Italy, Denmark, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, hungary...

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Yes, because a lot of them died during the holocaust…