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Ok-Train-6693 t1_it18bsd wrote

Shrines to Breton saints are found in many regions of northern Europe.

St Albinus (St Aubin) of Vannes, Bishop of Angers, is honoured all across northern France and as far away as Poland.

St Samson is honoured in Conteville, of which Count Robert of Mortain’s and Bishop Odo’s father Herluin was made Viscount.

“Viscount Robert and his brother Odo” occur as witnesses to a charter issued by Count Eudon, Duke of Brittany, at Rennes prior to 1050.

“Alan Rufus, son of Count Eudon” witnessed a charter by Yves de Bellême, Bishop of Séez, dated between 1047 and 1067.

Alan Rufus was captain of William’s palace guard in Normandy, and often appears near Bishop Odo on the Bayeux Tapestry, though they probably became unfriends over various actions of Odo’s later.

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Ok-Train-6693 t1_it177e3 wrote

Two 10th century Counts of Ponthieu had the P-Celtic (identical to Brythonic) names Haelchod and Herluin.

Charter 24 in the Cartulary of the Abbey of Landevennec records Count Haelchod and his son Herleuuin as witnesses of donations on 10 April and 13 August 954.

The abbots of Landevennec had fled Lower Brittany and crossed all the way to Montreuil-sur-Mer where Count Haelchod sheltered them. While in Ponthieu, they built a shrine to Saint Winwaloe (Guénolé in French).

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Ok-Train-6693 t1_it1772h wrote

Two 10th century Counts of Ponthieu had the P-Celtic (identical to Brythonic) names Haelchod and Herluin.

Charter 24 in the Cartulary of the Abbey of Landevennec records Count Haelchod and his son Herleuuin as witnesses of donations on 10 April and 13 August 954.

The abbots of Landevennec had fled Lower Brittany and crossed all the way to Montreuil-sur-Mer where Count Haelchod sheltered them. While in Ponthieu, they built a shrine to Saint Winwaloe (Guénolé in French).

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Welshhoppo t1_it14wg4 wrote

That also means that Septimus' 1900 year old propaganda move is still working.

In order to legitimise his reign, after the year of the the five Emperors, Septimus Severus announced that he was actually the adopted son of Marcus Aurelius. And to honour his 'father' he named his first born son after him and his 'grandfather'.

There's a reasons everyone calls him Caracalla, Marcus Aurelius II doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

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Ok-Train-6693 t1_it14hi7 wrote

Jordanes’ “Getica” mentions the Armoricans among Aëtius’s allies against Attila in 451. The Armoricans are the inhabitants of Brittany.

It’s possible that the ancestors of the Angevins/Plantagenets were present, as they originated as Gallo-Roman soldiers in western Armorica from which they were expelled in 383 and subsequently migrated to Rennes.

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Ok-Train-6693 t1_it13w91 wrote

The sources are scattered, diverse and numerous, so they require time and patience to collate.

For the Romano-British presence in northern and central Gaul in last years of the Western Roman Empire, the sources are two letters by Sidonius Apollinaris, Jordanes’ “Getica”, and the writings of Gregory of Tours and of Cassiodorus.

Sidonius was a Gallo-Roman bishop and senator who was contemporary with the events and a friend of the British leader he calls Riothamus, as well as being a friend of the Gallo-Roman official Arvandus who committed treason with King Euric of the Visigoths against Emperor Anthemius with whom Riothamus was allied.

According to the above sources, Riothamus sailed up the Loire with 12,000 men, established a base at Bourges, marched to Déols, was ambushed there by Euric, battled for hours, faced defeat, gathered as many men as he could and retreated into Burgundy. (The nearest ancient Burgundian town is Avallon, on elevated land protected by a tight river bend: see Google Maps.)

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Tiako t1_it11yu8 wrote

I am trying to think of how to put this, so if this isn't helpful I'll try another way.

Broadly speaking, a high status Roman name has three "neccesary" parts (tria nomina), but can also have honorifics attached to. In practical terms, think of Scipio Africanus, the man who defeated Hannibal. His full name would be (1)Publius (2)Cornelius (3)Scipio, and he was later granted the title (4)Africanus. "Publius" would be like a personal name ("praenomen"), the equivalent of "John" or "Robert". "Cornelius" indicates the broad family ("clan") he comes from: the "Cornelii" were a very important "clan" in Roman society. "Scipio" indicates which branch of "gens Cornelia" he comes from. "Africanus" was then added to his name after his victory in, well, Africa.

Even under the Republic this could get complicated (Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus Aemilianus was born into the Aemilii but adopted by the son of Scipio Africanus, leading to a mouthful of a name). But when you get to the imperial period, when the emperor moght use their name to signal any number of things, it gets truly absurd.

So take Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Pius Felix Augustus. There are two emperors that might remind us of: Antoninus Pius (Titus Aelius Hadrianus Antoninus Pius) and Marcus Aurelius (Marcus Aurelius Antoninus), and this was by design because his father, the aforementioned Lucius Septimius Severus Pius Pertinax Augustus (known to us as Septimius Severus) changed his name as a way to show that he was a continuation of the previous imperial dynasty and borrow a bit of prestige from that. He is mostly known to us as "Caracalla".

This might seem a bit confusing and my only response is, yeah, it is.

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DrXaos t1_it0w81o wrote

This is a political advertisement on a construction project: the implication being “we paid for this so be grateful”.

The entire point is promoting the politicians, and the more important they are, the more names they have.

Like Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia airport, with a whole bunch of extra middle names.

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dethb0y t1_it0uxy3 wrote

From the article:

>"The larger stone really is a superstar inscription, one of the longest and largest ever to be found in ancient Britain and unlikely to ever be surpassed as a record of the world of Roman Yorkshire," he said.

If that's the best they've got then...uh....

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