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FallenFamilyTree t1_j7394zn wrote
Reply to comment by zhivago6 in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
> I have wanted to write a book about this since 2017 but issues with the health of a family member take up so much time I never got back into it.
I would love to read this if you ever put it into writing of some sort!
Ferengi_Earwax t1_j7367vi wrote
Reply to comment by ZippyDan in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
The Nile river flows south to north originating from lake Victoria. It empties into the Mediterranean sea. The "upper Egypt" simply refers to the highlands( south) as opposed to the delta (flatlands, which are to the north). It originates from their originally being 2 Egyptian kingdoms. Lower egypt(delta, but now northern Egypt on the map) and upper Egypt (the highlands, now part of Southern Egypt on modern maps). The first dynasty and pharaohs United both kingdoms and is thought to be depicted in the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narmer_Palette
They essentially took both kingdoms logo and combined it into one crown you see most pharaohs wearing. https://www.ees.ac.uk/the-royal-crowns-of-egypt
PSU632 t1_j735rva wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Incredible work. As an avid lover of history, the doors of opportunity this technology could open are nothing short of fascinating.
Running with that idea, my question is this - do you foresee this same methodology being applied to other potential examples of bringing dead historical figures to life? Are there other occasions wherein a historical figure's voice is able to be replicated, then used to bring things they said to life (as has been done here)?
I'm eager to know what the thoughts are on where this technology can go moving forward. Again, outstanding work with this!!!
nitsedy t1_j733oum wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
As a historian, I would ask that the video only be released with superimposed text reading "computer recreation". Without that, you are likely to cause many people to believe the video is a genuine recording. That can really cause issues for those of us who do deep research on important historical events.
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BillyBlabby t1_j731zik wrote
It's amazing to see how that has changed the history of languages. We couldn't decipher anything from way back without this hunk of rock. I'm blown away!
BlackJackKetchum t1_j730av7 wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Not a question, but a note. My English mother lives in SW France and her Mairie has an enamel plaque with the central text of De Gaulle’s speech on it. It always brings a lump to the throat…
Je vous souhaite une bonne continuation.
enki_42 t1_j72y3dh wrote
Reply to comment by LeMonde_en in I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Effectivement, super travail. Merci.
Maxco_ t1_j72xrmx wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Hi What do you mean by "piece together" his speech? Is it based on interpretations of what De Gaulle MIGHT have said? What gives you the authority to say you recreated his speech? Thanks for your hard work, a fascinating notion, just one I wonder about.
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Reply to comment by rkincaid007 in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
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rkincaid007 t1_j72s32w wrote
Reply to comment by zhivago6 in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
Not available using the way back machine? (Or whatever it’s called) Sounds like an interesting read
nerdline t1_j72q85y wrote
Reply to comment by LeMonde_en in I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
I’m very sorry but I am a historian and I find it very hard to reconcile with the idea of re-creating someone’s voice. I understand piecing together the speech itself but what is the reason for manipulating his voice in this way? Why not simply have someone else read the speech? But I guess that would negate the point of this exercise, which is to completely re-create something in the authors original voice. I guess my question is - why? Who is this for?
zhivago6 t1_j72pmrq wrote
Reply to comment by FallenFamilyTree in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
The entire story is amazing. It really begins with the Battle of Rafa between the Selucids and Ptolomeys. The Selucids brought Indian elephants to battle and the Egyptians brought African elephants. The African elephants were freaked out but the Egyptians won anyway. Part of the reason they won is because for the first time since the Greeks ruled Egypt they allowed native Egyptians into the army. One theory is that these native Egyptians realized that killing Greeks wasn't that hard and this may have led to the revolt.
After several years of war, Horwennefer and part of his army was besieged for months in a fortress, I think he was banking on a high Nile to bring relief of the siege, but eventually his army surrendered or the fort was stormed and he was executed. The Greek Pharoahs thought this was the end of it but his son had his own coronation and kept the war going even longer.
The son, Anhkwennefer, fought for a long time and at one point the rebels took cities in the Delta, or Northern Egypt. The Greeks suspected the Nubians of aiding Anhkwennefer and the rebels but I don't think that was ever confirmed. In the end the Greek Pharoah offered an amnesty if the remainig fighters surrendered, and when they did he had them tortured and executed, Anhkwennefer too.
Another important aspect of this conflict is the control of the Ptolomiac government. The Ptolomeys had lots of court intrigues. When the Greek Pharoah that was in charge when the revolt began died with only a single heir, his close advisors murdered the mother and other advisors so they could control the child Pharoah. This is the time when the Macedonian King and Selucid King attacked and siezed parts of the Egyptian Kingdom. There was even more drama when a Greek general used a public appearance by the child Pharoah to publicly accuse the killer advisors of killing the Pharoah's mother. He got a crowd worked up and they attacked the royal procession and killed the advisors. The general then took the young Pharoah under his wing.
I have wanted to write a book about this since 2017 but issues with the health of a family member take up so much time I never got back into it.
Devil-sAdvocate t1_j72mz2j wrote
Reply to comment by gingersaurus82 in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
> Any foreigner happening upon it would have to be able to both speak and write one of these two languages.
Only literate ones, and only those literate ones who knew one of those languages.
Scholars have estimated that at the high point of Greek civilization, fewer than one-third of the adult population could read or write. Even so, literacy was more widespread in the Greco-Roman world than it was in many other ancient civilizations, where the ability to read or write was limited to a small number of priests or scribes.
Very few people were literate in Egypt- almost all of them officials of state. Estimates are as low as 1% of the population as being literate in Egypt and up to 5% being the high end of the estimate.
wegqg t1_j72mnvv wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Hi, thanks for sharing this!
Q:
How did you find the output differed from what you would have expected from a human re-enactor?
For example, do you feel that the integration of AI got you closer to the likeness of De Gaulle than a human actor might have done having studied him closely?
zhivago6 t1_j72lj8m wrote
Reply to comment by midgetsinheaven in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
I created a very detailed timeline that included sources but it was online and the website is now dead, so I can't retrieve my work.
LeMonde_en OP t1_j72k24y wrote
Reply to comment by Deranox in I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Bonjour!
Journalism may be one of the best professions where you can get paid to be curious, if that curiosity makes you discover new and important things. My dad collects old movie cameras, so I began filming with a small Super8 camera when I was 12. Around 25 I realized that I could try to bring together both of these cool worlds, and I dove into video journalism! Le Monde was not my first choice because I wanted to make documentaries, but in the past five years this newsroom has become one of the most innovative and impactful video media in France. There is no other French newsroom where you can work for one month on a single video, with the help of the best specialists and top-level motion designers.
P.S. “Diantre!” the General de Gaulle would have said ;)
-CH
grove_doubter t1_j72ivid wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Wow. This is amazing work. Truly fascinating.
LeMonde_en OP t1_j72idbc wrote
Reply to comment by SowetoNecklace in I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Hi!
Thanks for your question.
We worked with researchers in ethics from the very beginning of the project to build the project framework. One of them is Nadia Guerouaou, who specializes in neuroethics and is one of the very few researchers worldwide working on how audio deepfakes can be useful medically (to recreate the voice of someone suffering from throat cancer for example). She advised us to be very transparent about what is based on historical documents (the text of the speech, for example) and what is an artistic or technological interpretation: the actor reading the text, and the supercomputer encoding the final voice. To be honest, I was a bit surprised by the enthusiasm of the researchers in ethics I contacted. Making dead people talk through deep learning is not a moral question in itself, they told me. Everything depends on why you want to do this: to help others learn, or to manipulate?
-CH
ZippyDan t1_j72i0ge wrote
Reply to comment by FallenFamilyTree in Battle site of 'Great Revolt' recorded on Rosetta Stone unearthed in Egypt by AugustWolf22
>The native Egyptians in Thebaid ("Upper Egypt", ironically now in the south of modern Egypt)
Isn't it Upper Egypt because the Nile flows "backwards" and this is upriver? Rivers generally flow "downward" based on elevation, so upper Egypt was the "higher" ground.
Proxy-Pie t1_j72h7l4 wrote
I always wanted to know more about this event, it's not mentioned a lot.
For anyone who's interested, I found an old article I read with more details about the revolt: https://www.lib.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/files/TheGreatRevoltoftheEgyptians.pdf
Deranox t1_j72fje9 wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Bonjour. My question is a bit off topic:
How did you decide to go into journalism and why Le Monde of all places ?
Thank you for doing this, really interesting piece.
P.S You're very attractive.
Knightperson t1_j73dq71 wrote
Reply to I'm the head of video at France’s leading newspaper Le Monde. Our team recreated Charles De Gaulle's lost 1940 recording for France to resist the Nazis using historical sources and artificial intelligence. AMA about our investigation. by LeMonde_en
Every once in a while I'll listen back to the speeches given by key figures given during the second world war. Roosevelts "fear itself", Eisenhower before dday, Churchill's "darkest hour", and others from Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo. I don't think it's historical bias which has me hearing grim righteousness and sober defiance from the allies, and megalomanical violence from the axis. I'm glad that this project allows me to add de Gaulle to the list.