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theyfoundit t1_j78cir0 wrote

The spread of Islam saw the conquest of tribal/pastoral societies by a much more complex and organised civilisation. I found a pretty good quote on Wikipedia that holds that conversion to Islam "represented the response of a tribal, pastoral population to the need for a larger framework for political and economic integration, a more stable state, and a more imaginative and encompassing moral vision to cope with the problems of a tumultuous society."

If you can rationalise wars of conquest being relatively ‘peaceful’ paths to conversion, much more oppressive methods of subjugation and subordination - forced conversion, ethnic cleansing etc. - would come later.

From what I understand, in the early stages of the caliphate Islam was a status symbol that separated the ruling Arab elite from the masses.

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ihaveredhaironmyhead t1_j78ajko wrote

Bligh was unfairly maligned. His crew mutinied, but only because they wanted to keep having orgies with Tahitian sex slaves and Bligh wanted to keep to the mission. He was set adrift with a dozen loyalists and saved all of their lives by navigating thousands of miles with nothing but a compass on a fucking life boat. One of the most impressive feats of human sea faring ever. Stupid Mel Gibson

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atrophy98 t1_j789qqu wrote

What is a good source (preferably documentary/docuseries) to learn about the history of Europe? I know the individual histories of some civilizations but I was looking for a big-picture overview.

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en43rs t1_j785p46 wrote

In Arabia: local polytheism, but also Christian and Jewish communities.

In the "Persian Empire" (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) : mainly Zoroastrians and significant Christian communities.

In the Levant (Egypt, Israel, Syria, Turkey) : Orthodox Christians.

Outside of Arab polytheists all those are still somewhat around. Mainly Christians (in Lebanon and Egypt mainly).

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Leftfeet t1_j784knr wrote

There are a lot of "salt Creek"s in the region. Most are nam d Salt Creek because of the natural salt licks along their banks. A quick Google search I found several papers discussing salt usage and harvesting in the Ohio River valley.

I know from having lived in Illinois a lot that the Rock River, Fox River, Vermilion River and several others have natural salt licks. What is now Sterling, IL was a Sauk village before European settlers. Part of why they settled there was access to salt and the game it attracted. Lincoln, IL along a Salt Creek is the same, although it was a Kickapoo village. Danville IL as well along the Vermilion River.

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bobbieibboe t1_j784hvd wrote

Before Islam what religion were the countries that we'd now consider traditionally Muslim (for example Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan).

I'm aware that those countries didn't exist in the same form so I'm interested in the people who lived in those areas.

Are there any good (ideally not too heavy) reads about the early history of Islam? I find the spread of belief systems very interesting and enjoyed studying the history of Christianity many years ago.

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Hero_Doses t1_j77voow wrote

People that know this story know it from the movies, but the tangential stories are amazing as well.

  1. While being bad at discipline (with 2 uprisings against him), Bligh was still an amazing leader and mariner. Even though the mutineers dumped him and about 8 others in a lifeboat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, Bligh managed to make it all the way to Jakarta to report the mutiny, losing only one man to a hostile islander along the way.

This would be near impossible today, let alone ~200 years ago.

  1. After the mutiny, Fletcher Christian and the other mutineers found Pitcairn Island and hid there, knowing it would be hard for the British Navy to find them.

The island was rocked multiple times by racial violence, often spurred by sexual intrigue and alcoholism, after one of the mutineers learned to make alcohol from a native plant on Pitcairn.

Interestingly, most of the women seemed to be devoted to their English husbands, avenging their deaths when they were killed by some Tahitian men who had been brought along as slave laborers.

One Englishman, Ned Young, slept through the mutiny AND possibly also the massacre of the English.

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snowflakesevrywhere t1_j77ui7r wrote

I was at the Greenwich Maritime museum last week they have a section* on Bligh which explains this very thing.

*of their Pacific exhibition room from which my main takeaway was how astonishing the Island peoples' feats of navigation were - they basically memorised the current flows for various islands, prevailing winds, constellations etc. before they even set out. This knowledge was passed down by word of mouth for generation after generation and they used it to cross thousands of miles of ocean safely on boats held together with twine(no iron avaliable). Massive tangent there but it really blew me away.
I recommend visiting the museum if you have the chance, it's even free entry.

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