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MrMoogyMan t1_j7m6z7p wrote

I disagree. Even if Hitler and Mussolini succeeded in holding North Africa and the Middle East, the UK would have continued resistance. Hitler would have needed to take naval superiority from the UK and somehow dissuade international support to the isles without provocation. Hitler also failed to sustain an effective strategic bombing campaign over the British isles and did not succeed in pressuring the British through direct flights over their homeland.

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Sunlight72 t1_j7m6qa7 wrote

I think the only likely point would have been with the annexation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia, and Austria. Once Germany (and thereby Italy) invaded and over ran Poland, I think war in Europe was inevitable within a year.

In East Asia I don’t know. I think Japan could have stopped in about 1938 and perhaps retained the portions of the mainland they had taken, but if China is counted as an Ally, then no, within about 2 years I think China would have countered to reclaim their territory.

But certainly after 1938 Japan was so aggressive that they would not be ‘ignored’.

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Cetun t1_j7m5zzk wrote

Great Britain itself probably could have eventually defeated the Nazis regardless of how much territory they gained in Russia. Given their colonial Empire and the support of the Commonwealth and the industrial backing of the United States, they just had too many men and resources that Germany couldn't have matched. In a war of attrition Britain would have won no matter what, at tremendous costs of course.

What Great Britain ended up doing was going into debt to the United States and giving up half of Europe to the Soviet Union so they could mostly sit the war out. At the end of 1941 the Polish government in exile was still in London and the Soviets had installed their own government. Britain's guarantee of Independence of Poland had little to do with Britain's concern over Polish sovereignty and had more to do with a grudge between them and Germany. In the end they didn't care who defeated Germany as long as Germany was defeated. So in 1939 they had this enormous Empire and strategic allies in Eastern Europe, and 20 years after World War II they were still in debt to the United States, had lost most of their empire because of promises made to the United States to decolonize, and the The entire Eastern Europe was now occupied by Soviet forces with various public governments.

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Cetun t1_j7m53wa wrote

No, before France even surrendered Britain made it clear that they would never seek peace with Germany. There was some rumbling about accepting peace with Germany that some other redditors may mention. But really this was just one member of a cabinet who simply brought up the idea and it was struck down immediately by Churchill. Great Britain and France even considered declaring war on the Soviet Union during the Winter War, so you can understand how "all in" they were. When's the United States entered the war there was no chance in hell, all allies had come to the agreement that complete unconditional surrender or nothing, infact Germany made several overtures to the western allies about the possibility of white peace in exchange for continuing their war with the Soviet Union which was rejected without discussion.

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Frikadellenbroodje t1_j7luhfr wrote

I enjoyed my required reading for World History: 'the Human Web' by McNeill and McNeill. It lays the focus on connections between groups of people. This gives an interesting perspective on world history and should contrast greatly from the deterministic 'year-by-year' approach to writing history.

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