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Asgarus t1_j8cy1ot wrote
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In the depths of the library, deep between long forgotten rows of long forgotten bookshelves...
quantdave t1_j8cwsyw wrote
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The Tulsa Historical Society and Museum seems a good place to start:
>On the morning of May 30, 1921, a young black man named Dick Rowland was riding in the elevator in the Drexel Building at Third and Main with a white woman named Sarah Page. The details of what followed vary from person to person. Accounts of an incident circulated among the city’s white community during the day and became more exaggerated with each telling.
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>Tulsa police arrested Rowland the following day and began an investigation. An inflammatory report in the May 31 edition of the Tulsa Tribune spurred a confrontation between black and white armed mobs around the courthouse where the sheriff and his men had barricaded the top floor to protect Rowland. Shots were fired and the outnumbered African Americans began retreating to the Greenwood District.
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>In the early morning hours of June 1, 1921, Greenwood was looted and burned by white rioters. Governor Robertson declared martial law, and National Guard troops arrived in Tulsa. Guardsmen assisted firemen in putting out fires, took African Americans out of the hands of vigilantes and imprisoned all black Tulsans not already interned. Over 6,000 people were held at the Convention Hall and the Fairgrounds, some for as long as eight days.
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>Twenty-four hours after the violence erupted, it ceased. In the wake of the violence, 35 city blocks lay in charred ruins, more than 800 people were treated for injuries and contemporary reports of deaths began at 36. Historians now believe as many as 300 people may have died.
A commission appointed by the state government reported in 2001 that:
>Black Tulsans had every reason to believe that Dick Rowland would be lynched after his arrest. His charges were later dismissed and highly suspect from the start..... As hostile groups gathered and their confrontation worsened, municipal and county authorities failed to take actions to calm or contain the situation.
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>At the eruption of violence, civil officials selected many men, all of them white and some of them participants in that violence, and made those men their agents as deputies.... In that capacity, deputies did not stem the violence but added to it, often through overt acts that were themselves illegal. Public officials provided fire arms and ammunition to individuals, again all of them white.
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>Units of the Oklahoma National Guard participated in the mass arrests of all or nearly all of Greenwood’s residents, removed them to other parts of the city, and detained them in holding centers.... Entering the Greenwood district, people stole, damaged, or destroyed personal property left behind in homes and businesses. People, some of them agents of government, also deliberately burned or otherwise destroyed homes credibly estimated to have numbered 1,256, along with virtually every other structure — including churches, schools, businesses, even a hospital and library — in the Greenwood district..... Although the exact total can never be determined, credible evidence makes it probable that many people, likely numbering between 100-300, were killed during the massacre.
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>Not one of these criminal acts was then or ever has been prosecuted or punished by government at any level: municipal, county, state, or federal.
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jakart3 t1_j8cv9jw wrote
Reply to Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
Makassar and Bugis sailor are well known far reached (they reach Madagascar). Maybe the aborigin came with them
irish_loser t1_j8cqcai wrote
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Lived in Gove / Yirrkala in Arnhem Land for a while as a backpacker. Very cool place.
openmindedskeptic t1_j8cp2sq wrote
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Did not realized he passed away. How sad.
Smiths_fan137 t1_j8cnzes wrote
Reply to comment by Robsta3 in Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
That I found it a little strange this was found in Italy of all places when the Savoys much as I enjoy them as royals have a sort of tradition with being intolerant for minorities they found in other countries. Usually they studied them before trying to bargain a peaceful exodus (aka leaving) of those tribes and if that didn't work out they'd conquer the places. Don't blame them or Italy though. Colonialism was a thing and all European powers practiced it not just Italy.
Witsand87 t1_j8cnvbx wrote
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To me personally, as a former History and Art teacher, who also studied animation, it’s not about why really, it’s about could it be done? Things like this will always fall under “artistic impression”, as no matter the technology, we ourselves are only limited to the present, so we could never recreate something from the past 100% accurately. Unless we somehow figure out how to view the past in real time (which by the way is theoretically possible, maybe in the future). So best we can do is recreate parts of history to give us an idea of how it would have been. In the end it’s really just playing around for our own curiosity/ satisfaction/ etc.
Robsta3 t1_j8cnu08 wrote
Reply to comment by Smiths_fan137 in Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
What is the point you’re trying to make here? I’m not sure I understand
Smiths_fan137 t1_j8clnsk wrote
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The same country that has a palace with frescos depicting a victory against cherokee native tribes obtained together with the French in Canada...this evidence is completely true however and it's very interesting that you shared it.
Sgt_Colon t1_j8ckd9k wrote
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Yes, it's rather apparent if you comb through pre medieval sources that this idea originated with Plato and almost all of them mention him and the dialogue that generated it.
PaigePossum t1_j8cj0e0 wrote
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Yep, our welfare agency keeps an Indigenous funeral register and does their best to specify which people belonged to groups where speaking the name of the dead is taboo. It's to help staff when dealing with family members who are asking for money to travel for funerals
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iTriedSpinning t1_j8cieji wrote
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In case the down votes have you confused, “Aborigines” and “Natives” is found to be offensive. The world steps forward everyday but not all of us can keep up at the same pace. 🙂
ClosetedImperialist t1_j8chuyo wrote
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You must have so much to talk about - I’m intrigued in what you have to say about many things
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rikashiku t1_j8cgpjx wrote
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I forgot Archie Roach had passed. What a wonderful musician.
rikashiku t1_j8cgmmh wrote
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I want to read this article, but access is blocked where I am(at work). I love learning things like this, especially about the First Nations Australians.
rikashiku t1_j8cgkzw wrote
Reply to comment by Geek-Haven888 in Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
Iirc it was the Makassan people from Indonesia who made contact with First Nation Australians and formed trade pacts with the nearby nations.
Before them, the Treasure Fleet from the Ming Dynasty would chart the West, north, and East coast.
Edit: I can't open the link. So I was going off memory here.
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throwawayforyouzzz t1_j8cedh7 wrote
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This is so interesting. I’m from Singapore and I’ve never known about the trade between indigenous Australians and Indonesians
quantdave t1_j8d0qo8 wrote
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Mark Jarrett's The Congress of Vienna and its legacy (IB Tauris, London 2013) has received favourable reviews and is rated fairly in-depth (522 pages), though it covers the pre-1814 background and post-1815 multilateral efforts down to Greek and Belgian independence, so it may not be quite what you're after.