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Lehike08 t1_j8w2i4d wrote
I think Nicola Tesla is over fantasied, due to the fact early media and average people couldn't understand basic electricity yet and it all seemed magic to them.
As for his inventions he mostly improved on others earlier ideas than to invent something trully new. Like the electric motor/generator. Scientists played with something similar even befor Faraday, but it was useless without a reliable electric network. Thats where Edison and Westinghouse come in...
kimthealan101 t1_j8vrvjm wrote
Edison and Westinghouse both built fame and success on the minds and labors of their employees. Most engineers don't get famous. Tesla was just a particularly good engineer. He died in relative obscurity, but his ideas have given him posthumous fame after standing up so well and because of people's love of a good conspiracy.
I would say, before that car company, more people recognize the word 'westinghouse' than 'tesla'. The Westinghouse label is used for a brand of AC equipment, because of the name recognition. 50 years ago, when Westinghouse was a major appliance manufacturer, that would be more true.
rastafunion t1_j8vrsam wrote
True story: Westinghouse stole a patent from my great-great granduncle or something. It was about a new type of brake. We have original documents at my parents' place and the salt is still real.
Cerulean_IsFancyBlue t1_j8vo9uh wrote
Reply to comment by pier4r in Why Nikola Tesla is So Famous (and Westinghouse is not) by pier4r
Not everyone knows Tesla.
There’s a huge awareness of the Tesla brand.
There’s a pop-culture, geek level awareness of Nicky Tesla, usually a distorted idea of him not strictly historical or biographical.
There are just also a bunch of other people that have no clue. Tesla has not yet reach the level of Napoleon or Einstein for example.
It’s also true that Westinghouse was a major brand itself. Westinghouse was a household name for lightbulbs for example, up until at least the early 2000’s. Westinghouse himself was not as colorful as Tesla, so, even when the brand was famous, there was definitely not as much of a cult of personality around the individual.
Long-term, I think Tesla, as a character has more staying power. His inventions were more spectacular (if less practical for the most part), and he benefits from the kind of retro futurism chic that Da Vinci does.
Add so often happens, popularity will come and go based on current events. Look at how Alexander Hamilton is having a resurgence among the USA founding fathers thanks to a hit Broadway musical. If the Tesla brand fades, and somebody makes a musical about Edison versus Westinghouse, maybe Westinghouse will take his place in the pantheon of historical figures with pop-culture credentials.
Rutger77 t1_j8vnyjx wrote
Nikola Tesla is dead, and Westinghouse was responsible for bringing power to America along with all the appliances that ran off power. They are one of the most famous companies in the world.
rock3t-boy t1_j8vm9tp wrote
Reply to comment by GSilky in Weekly History Questions Thread. by AutoModerator
Just checked out the 1812 French invasion of Russia. An incredible comeback indeed, even if they did retreat quickly on purpose at times. Again, Russian winters are insurmountable (unless you're Finland lol).
Nadinegeorgiax t1_j8vj9nb wrote
Reply to comment by nixcamic in Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
traditionally Australian First Nations people don’t use the names of those who have died out of respect. This also extends to photographs/electronic images of those who have died.
We have that warning come up on TV programs/news reports here in Aus whenever they mention or show a photo of a First Nations person who has passed away.
There’s a Wikipedia article about the practice here
Nadinegeorgiax t1_j8vj7lb wrote
Reply to comment by CaucusInferredBulk in Proof of mystery settlement of Aboriginal Australians and Indonesians found in an Italian library by Geek-Haven888
traditionally Australian First Nations people don’t use the names of those who have died out of respect. This also extends to photographs/electronic images of those who have died.
We have that warning come up on TV programs/news reports here in Aus whenever they mention or show a photo of a First Nations person who has passed away.
There’s a Wikipedia article about the practice here
pier4r OP t1_j8vg1ty wrote
Reply to comment by zerepgn in Why Nikola Tesla is So Famous (and Westinghouse is not) by pier4r
>Seeing firsthand how difficult it is for things to get patented, I would not refer to Tesla’s later years as having Nobelitis
I'm not sure how the two things disprove each other. Winning the Nobel prize isn't easy either (I'd say is harder than making patents)
One can have a good career at first, achieving things that are pretty hard, and then due to this success one could start going in the Nobelitis direction.
From your comment I get the feeling that you didn't read the article (or watched the video) nor checked the Nobelitis part. Could it be?
pier4r OP t1_j8vff33 wrote
Reply to comment by KnudsonRegime in Why Nikola Tesla is So Famous (and Westinghouse is not) by pier4r
I strongly believe that the "being famous" is related to nowadays. everyone today knows Tesla but not the other guy.
If I read your comment correctly you want to say that Westinghouse was famous before Tesla in his prime time and then Tesla was famous later. Thus independently from the situation nowadays.
Constant_Count_9497 t1_j8vdf2k wrote
Reply to comment by Welshhoppo in How different were the Italians and the Romans in the social war? by hhhhhab
I believe during this time Romans were will exempt from taxation, being more fuel on that fire
TheBatAmongUs t1_j8v8lxu wrote
Reply to Bookclub and Sources Wednesday! by AutoModerator
Heirs of the Founders vs The Great Triumvirate
These 2 books tackle the lives & relationships between them in early to mid 19th century U.S. Senators, Webster, Clay, & Calhoun.I am wondering which of the 2 is overall better or what distinct differences the 2 works have in the 31 year difference between publications.I only have time enough to read one, but wanted to pick up what fellow students of history thought b4 I pick 1 or the other up. The three men along with Quincy Adams and Jackson make up the first generation of politicians after the Revolution Era Thank you for any assistance that will lead me to either Heirs of The Founders or The Great Triumvirate.
shantipole t1_j8v6szp wrote
Reply to comment by LabVisual in Weekly History Questions Thread. by AutoModerator
Anything more than cleaning and oiling: not really. Airing the tires would be next to impossible without extremely precise fittings that most artisans wouldn't be capable of. Any replacement parts would require materials (rubber) or manufacturing precision (chain, spokes, etc) that would be very difficult if not impossible to reproduce.
With enough time and money, an artisan could probably figure out workarounds (like casting replacement links out of brass or bronze) but the bicycle would be more and more of a frankenstein's monster and would be less efficient and usable.
Stalins_Moustachio t1_j8uyy3s wrote
Reply to comment by anthropology_nerd in Bookclub and Sources Wednesday! by AutoModerator
Bury my Heart is one of my top recommendations to everyone. Although dark, I consider it to be a must-read.
bigperm8645 t1_j8uxlvf wrote
Reply to comment by pier4r in Why Nikola Tesla is So Famous (and Westinghouse is not) by pier4r
If you're ever in Barcelona, visit Cosmo Caixa, they have an excellent exhibit on Tesla, he was a pretty remarkable guy, with a lot of self doubt, and eventually did kinda lose it later in life. A lot of other fun stuff at that musuem as well
KnudsonRegime t1_j8ux2ta wrote
Westinghouse was famous in his own time. Which, importantly, ended 30 years earlier than Tesla’s. It’s not really a very fair comparison.
LabVisual t1_j8upt0l wrote
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If a young man on a mountain bike were to accidentally travel back in time into a medieval town, would the local artisans be able to help him maintain his bicycle? assuming he has a fairly decent understanding of how his bike works, and perhaps a small pouch of tools
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Doctor_Impossible_ t1_j8uofk8 wrote
Reply to comment by seyramlarit in Weekly History Questions Thread. by AutoModerator
>how everyday european medieval life worked? For example some questions I have:
When it comes to medieval questions you first of all need to decide when and where. In some definitions 'medieval' covers 1,000 years, and even people who unironically use the term 'Dark Ages' admit there was change over that time. The Time Traveller's Guide to Medieval England by Ian Mortimer is a good, informal place to start.
Doctor_Impossible_ t1_j8unh8r wrote
Reply to comment by Rasul702 in Weekly History Questions Thread. by AutoModerator
What story? We need to hear it before we can find out if it's true. If all you have is a snippet from the internet it's almost certainly made up.
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Harsimaja t1_j8ulmll wrote
Reply to Did both parties adhere to classical liberalism in the early 1900s? What were the ideological differences between the parties in general and with respect to Progressivism? by Convenience21
Ah at least you (indirectly) clarified which of the [one] countries in the world you meant in the main body…
zerepgn t1_j8uiksz wrote
Seeing firsthand how difficult it is for things to get patented, I would not refer to Tesla’s later years as having Nobelitis.
The dude had 112 patents in the US alone. That does not seem like some minor feat achieved by someone who had some breakthrough successes.
As for the Marconi argument, tesla states in his own words that his later pursuits of “wireless” transmission had more to do with conduction (through the earth) than radiation (omnidirectional, from an antenna).
One of my favorite reads so far on Nikola Tesla has been this. This poorly named book contains transcripts from Tesla’s patent dispute on what is today known as the ‘and’ gate. If you have technical background it is very much worth a read.
I am pretty sure what Tesla’s technology focused on (which is not a mainstream focus of Electrical Engineers today) is the fact that some of the terms in maxwell’s equations were written off by early scientists (Heaviside?) due to the fact that they did not resemble anything “physical.” Tesla (I believe) sought out the meaning in these terms and applied it to his technology.
Tesla is quoted as saying, "The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” I believe he was referencing the fact that the non-physical terms were omitted.
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pier4r OP t1_j8w545v wrote
Reply to comment by rastafunion in Why Nikola Tesla is So Famous (and Westinghouse is not) by pier4r
it is about air brakes? Maybe you can contact the author of the article because she would love to put things in perspective and revise her take (of course she needs reliable sources and documents).
See here: https://kathylovesphysics.com/george-westinghouse-the-unsung-hero/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=george-westinghouse-the-unsung-hero#ind