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Maskeno t1_j9s1s2v wrote

I walked past a small twig hanging off a tree today, tried to push it out of my way, and it fwapped me on the lip. It's not even the first time in my life I've done that, so I'm obviously not a genius to observe it.

From there maybe I'd make it a toy if I were a bored cave man. Maybe I'd tie some rope my cave dad taught me how to make on one end and flick it around. It's really not so much of a stretch that upon observing some boucy wood and rope that you could use that rope to propel something else. Maybe a rock. Wait. Spears work pretty well on those animals we like. What if I made a small spear and flung that with it?

Of course, it's easy to say it's easy 50k years later, but still. The logic isn't too hard to believe.

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stovenn t1_j9s1p5w wrote

> Using wood's elastic proprieties is not obvious at all

There is a kind of snare (spring snare) which bends a still-alive sapling with a rope joining to a noose and trigger on the ground which can catch mammals images

This is simpler than a bow and could have been on the inventive pathway towards a bow and arrow.

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Cleistheknees t1_j9s1g9t wrote

Anyone is welcome to argue whatever point they’d like.

In this context, large ungulates = hippopotamus, bison, elephants, rhinoceros, large boars, etc, because the actual animals in this discussion are generally extinct Pleistocene megafauna, not white tailed deer, which I agree are not difficult at all to drop in one shot for an experience or lucky hunter. The ambiguity here is probably because “large ungulate” means something different to me as an evolutionary biologist than it does to hunters. I hunt, but I wouldn’t really call myself “a hunter”, if that makes sense.

> If something sharp passes through the lungs or heart of a large ungulate like elk or moose, then they tend to die rapidly.

Rapidly seems kinda relative. I’ve double lung punched a prairie elk and had to go over two kilometers to get it.

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huntt252 t1_j9rznd1 wrote

Not trying to argue but large ungulates are very easy to kill with a single shot from an arrow. Regardless of primitive or advanced archery gear. If something sharp passes through the lungs or heart of a large ungulate like elk or moose, then they tend to die rapidly. The vasculature is so condensed in this region that cutting it causes massive blood loss and rapid death. It wouldn’t happen with a wood tipped arrow. But with freshly flaked stone it absolutely would.

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rittenalready t1_j9ry6mo wrote

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-animals-like-moose-elk-deer-fall-and-die-immediately-when-hit-by-even-an-arrow-whereas-lions-bears-and-dogs-dont-and-can-be-alive-for-days-and-miles

Double lung shots drop them- 200 yards- moose elk and deer. Deer can be dropped almost immediately if you are in a stand and at an angle hit double lung heart shot. No tracking. Easiest tracking I’ve ever done is my father shot a deer as it bent down for some reason at a weird angle it put its head right in front of where it’s lungs would be-arrow pinned the head to the chest and it fell over backwards

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