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AgoraiosBum t1_itmzzu2 wrote

There are some exaggerations for comic effect, but yes - there was an extensive amount of wealth leading to large incomes based mainly on rent and other investments, so that there was quite a lot of passive income flowing into the families. And many relatives would then receive an "allowance" that still left them quite well off so that they could afford fine clothes, club memberships, easy travel, and personal servants like a valet.

The wage structure and tax structure in the UK changed due to the world wars. There were still many wealthy families, but much less of a large support system with many family relations receiving an allowance, and so less of the "idle rich" that you see with Bertie Wooster and his crew.

But you can also see, in the same episode, the "working rich" shaking their head at Bertie not working. https://youtu.be/Te3SvM-aG04?t=1309

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EduinBrutus t1_itmm1m5 wrote

To be fair, the only meaningful difference between American Halloween and traditional Scottish Halloween is that you just demand the sweets instead of performing for them and you carve a pumpkin instead of a neep.

It#s really just the same thing. The loss of the performance is disappointing, for sure. But overall, its clearly still the same tradition.

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EduinBrutus t1_itmk9ph wrote

No, I mean Halloween was literally created in Scotland.

And inventions from the Age of Nationalism which is when Irish "history" seems to have been created and references to such material just don't cut it.

There is Halloween in Scottish literature from the late 1600s.

There is no Halloween in Irish literature of the period.

There is no Samhain in Irish literature of the period.

From your own damn link > The festival was not recorded in detail until the early modern era.

There is a world of difference between a folk practise which has some sort of root in an ancient festival or tradition but whose roots are forgotten and actual continuation of a tradition over time. Its comical to even suggest that druidic era customs continued anywhere in the British Isles when we know that they did not.

For instance take jack o lanterns. Im not aware of a single primary source that links them directly to Samhain. Certainly its reasonable that they have association with the autumn season and Samhain could have been a harvest festival. But the link is entirely based on circumstance and best guess. Its not evidenced.

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