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CraftyRole4567 t1_jaxfvq0 wrote

Historian here, I would agree that it’s not going to be as simple as looking at ethnicity. You also need to look at region and particularly at economic competition. For example, there were Irish immigrants and free Blacks in antebellum New York City who shared neighborhoods, saloons, and intermixed culture (where tap dancing comes from), but you can also find wealthy Blacks hiring the Irish as servants in Boston and looking down on them, and you can also find virulent, ugly racism in Irish-American communities made visible in the Boston Busing Crisis, for instance.

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Cap_Vast t1_jaxfaa9 wrote

Hello everyone, first time in this sub! I just want to ask about the Nanjing Massacre, did that actually happen or was it communist fabricated propaganda? My history class just went through war world 2 and the events that happened but I want to learn more about what actually happaned in the eastern front of the war. my second question is that why did Japan invade china and korean?

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Forsaken_Champion722 t1_jawbq6x wrote

I like your question and bangdazap's reply, but I find that there is some confusion about the use of the term "racism". As a child in the 70s, I remember the famous PSA of a boy asking his grandpa what prejudice is. It seemed to me that racism was just one form of prejudice, and did not include prejudice based on religious beliefs or ethnic grudges among different people of the same race.

As far as prejudice among different white ethnic and religious groups, the answer is that it was very common. However, it is difficult to say precisely when prejudice based on religion and ethnicity becomes actual racism, based on biological/genetic differences.

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jezreelite t1_jaw6kt6 wrote

Nazi racial ideology posited that all non-Europeans were inferior to Aryans, but since they couldn't blend in as easily with "real" Aryans, sub-Saharan Africans, Arabs, and East Asians were much less dangerous to the Aryan gene pool and didn't need to be exterminated, as Jews, Roma, and most Slavs were.

The attitude toward Indo-Iranians is rather singular, though, because they were regarded as Aryans, but not as pure and superior as the Nordic people of Germany, England, and Scandinavia. Nazi racial ideology was quite popular among elites in Iran, many of whom already had negative views of Arabs, Jews, and Turks, but I'm not sure about how it was received in India.

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awolfgangc t1_jaw4enx wrote

Well OP wasn't even referring to Native Americans, but I would disagree with you. You got the lebensraum backwards for one thing. He was talking about white European settlers pushing Native Americans aside for THEIR "lebensraum".

I hate to give this nasty hate a forum, but according to this book review of Carroll Kakel’s “The American West and the Nazi East” about the Hitler's views of the American West (https://wagingnonviolence.org/2020/10/hitler-found-blueprint-german-empire-in-the-american-west/):

"Admiring how the United States had “gunned down the millions of Redskins to a few hundred thousand, and now keep the modest remnant under observation in a cage,” Hitler spoke of his intention to similarly “Germanize” the east “by the immigration of Germans, and to look upon the natives as Redskins.” Echoing American justifications for westward settlement, he stated, “It is inconceivable that a higher people should painfully exist on a soil too narrow for it, whilst amorphous masses, which contribute nothing to civilization, occupy infinite tracts of a soil that is one of the richest in the world.” His answer? “Here in the east a similar process will repeat itself for the second time as in the conquest of America.” For Hitler, “Our Mississippi must be the Volga.”... As for resistance by those being conquered, killed and cleared? Hitler compared it to “the struggle in North America against the Red Indians.” After all, he said, “who remembers the Red Indians?”"

That doesn't sound very sympathetic to me.

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The_Fallen-_- t1_jaw46bj wrote

Hey guys , I was reading an article in the internet that said Isaac Newton was a pugilist(bare-knuckle boxer) in his youth, so I wanted to make sure if it is true or if there is any historical paper or books pointing about it?

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AngryBlitzcrankMain t1_jaw1wkk wrote

Wrong, completely. Hitler was extremely sympathetic towards them as he grew up reading about Native Americans in widely popular books by Karl May. He actually used to send the copies of those books to his generals as "inspiration". He viewed Native Americans´ struggle to reclaim their ancestral homeland similar to Germans attempt to "regain their lebensraum".

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bangdazap t1_javwfrk wrote

It's more of a case of who was defined as "white". Benjamin Franklin once warned Americans to be vary of "swarthy" people, like the French and Swedes. Irish people weren't considered white initially and it was common for places looking for workers to display the sign "Irish need not apply". In turn, later Italian immigrants had to build their own churches because they, albeit Catholic, weren't allowed to use Irish churches.

Jews were also not considered white, and establishments that didn't allow Jews were labeled "restricted". More recently, Hispanics are more and more considered to be white in America, which they weren't previously.

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MeatballDom OP t1_javjtkc wrote

How would you translate this passage without gender?

>ὣς εἰποῦσ’ ὑπὸ ποσσὶν ἐδήσατο καλὰ πέδιλα . . . βῆ δὲ κατ’ Οὐλύμποιο καρήνων ἀΐξασα, στῆ δ’ Ἰθάκης ἐνὶ δήμωι ἐπὶ προθύροις Ὀδυσῆος, οὐδοῦ ἔπ’ αὐλείου, παλάμηι δ’ ἔχε χάλκεον ἔγχος, εἰδομένη ξείνωι, Ταφίων ἡγήτορι Μέντηι. . . . τὴν δὲ πολὺ πρῶτος ἴδε Τηλέμαχος θεοειδής ...

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creemetismami OP t1_jauqn50 wrote

And that one is going on my to read list. Thank you for sharing. I looked up the reviews, and it sounds very interesting!

There's no denying he was a real brute, especially in his younger years, yikes! As he aged, he was said to have been remorseful for how he was in those days, from what I've been told anyway.

Julia was a force, my goodness. She really did it all, all while tending to a company of men, and horses, PLUS 8 children?? Absolutly wild, what a legend!

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