Like many men in history: ambitious, and a right bastard. At least he wasn’t hung up on race.

Newcomers from where??

I’ve skied Hood many times and this is a great little bit of info I had no idea about. That view is incredible, could only imagine what it was back then!

Out of the US?

if you think peter skene ogden was bad wait till i tell you about jerry j NORTH HAVERBROOK

The assassination of president John F Kennedy in 1963 is the one that has been written about the most. Lots of unsound conspiracy theories in particular. It's a commonly expressed view that his killing changed America, that he would've pulled out of Vietnam etc.

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Even in that context he was chastised. Doesn’t take hindsight. This was not a nice man. At all. He just got old and tired.

I think they needed to be more advanced. In the Korean War helicopters were mainly used for search and rescue.

But who knows? The Germans (IIRC) scrapped plans to station gyrocopters (they're an earlier form of helicopter) on their ships on the outbreak of WWII. Maybe if they had used them, other nations would have followed suit and made more advanced helicopters. There was a lot more money for R&D during WWII compared to the Korean War.

Wait, you're saying that even decent archeology journals are pay-to-publish?

It makes the whole story even more interesting because as a 31-year-old childless spinster in the early 1800s it's hard to conceive how she could have been such a difficult catch so to speak. Regardless of her looks. As a woman she would have had no real status and she didn't come with a list of businesses that she was running for example. There's no denying her extraordinary curriculum after they got married but she didn't have that when he pursued her. Their exchanges when they first met had to be off the charts and my, would I have loved to be a fly on the wall there

One of my wife's direct ancestor was a fur trader for the AFC (he also married a Native American woman – that was common at the time to establish relations, especially French traders).

The stories about the guy are pretty damn colorful as well.

From article:

At the southwestern end of Lac La Hache is found the old pioneer cemetery.

Near the middle of this graveyard is a plot with a stone that reads: “Julia, wife of Peter S. Ogden C.F.H.B.C.

Died Jan. 21, 1886 aged 98 years” (C.F.H.B.C. stands for Chief Factor, Hudson’s Bay Company). This grave holds the remains of a very remarkable and courageous woman with a fascinating life story.

Julia Rivet was born in 1788 in the vicinity of present day Spokane, Wash. She and her mother were members of the leadership clan of the Flathead First Nation, a subgroup of the Interior Salish people. Julia’s mother was widowed a few years later, and she subsequently took up with a French Canadian explorer and trapper, Francois Rivet.

He had been a scout and interpreter with the Lewis and Clark expedition, and had remained in the area trapping and trading. Julia took on the name of her stepfather, but otherwise had a very traditional Indigenous upbringing.

Julia married a young Flathead warrior when she was in her mid teens. He was killed in a skirmish with another tribe, and Julia returned to the lodge of her mother and stepfather as a 19 year old childless widow.

She live with them for more than 10 years before meeting Peter Skene Ogden, the young Hudson’s Bay Company trader posted to Spokane House.

In 1819, when she was 31 years old and he was 29, she became his country wife. This union cost Ogden dearly — he spent half his life’s savings on 50 horses which he traded in ceremonial fashion for her hand, but he had his mind set on this marriage and was not to be dissuaded, no matter what the cost.

Julia willingly adopted Ogden’s two sons from a previous country marriage, Peter and Charles.

She also made it clear to him that she would not be left behind during his expeditions and explorations.

In their 35-year marriage Julia had six children, three boys and three girls. She accompanied her husband everywhere, children in tow, facing cold, starvation, attacks, sickness, and other crises along the way.

She assumed a full share of duties and more, setting and breaking camp, preparing meals, skinning and drying furs, and assisting with medical problems for both men and horses.

Many stories are told about Julia’s courage and bravery during these travels. One such story took place in the early spring of 1825 near what would eventually become known as the Ogden Valley in Utah. Young Charles was having breathing problems, and Julia needed goose grease to which she would add medicinal herbs to create a salve.

She shot a goose on an island in the middle of the river, but nobody would volunteer to swim across the river to get it.

The expedition members, including her husband who could not swim, watched in astonishment as Julia jumped in, struggled against the current, and returned with the 15-pound bird, her neck encrusted with ice.

Charles recovered fairly quickly after receiving the medications, and Julia somehow avoided even getting a cold.

Another story occurred later on that year, in May.

By this time, Julia was not only a mother to Peter and Charles, she also had two children of her own — Cecilia and Michael, who was just eight months old.

There was a tense confrontation when Ogden’s HBC group ran across a large number of American trappers.

A brawl ensued, along with some gunfire, fortunately with no fatalities.

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A large number of Ogden’s men decided to defect to the other side, taking horses, gear and furs with them.

After the incident, Julia discovered that the horse Michael had been strapped to was missing.

She didn’t hesitate, jumping onto another mount and riding directly into the American camp.

There, ignoring the rifles and handguns pointed directly at her and the shouts to shoot her down, she grabbed the reins of the horse carrying her baby and also the reins of another horse laden with pelts and rode back out.

Both sides were amazed at her nerve, and she emerged completely unharmed, but Ogden and the remainder of his company had to flee the area for their lives.

After completing several expeditions in what is now Washington, Oregon, northern California, Utah and Idaho, Peter Skene Ogden was promoted to the HBC’s New Caledonia District to the north (now known as British Columbia).

Just before setting out, one of the children, a boy, died of a stomach ailment on Jan. 5, 1831.

By 1834, Ogden had been named Chief Factor for the district, and was stationed at Fort St. James on Stuart Lake. There, their last son, Isaac, was born in 1839 when Julia was 51 years old.

Ogden referred to her affectionately as “the Old Lady” even though he was two years her junior.

By 1847, Ogden had been appointed Joint Chief Factor (along with James Douglas) at Fort Vancouver, Wash.

He and Julia remained there until 1854, when his health began to decline rapidly. They retired to the home of their daughter, Sarah-Julia and her husband Archibald McKinlay (sometimes spelled McKinley) in Oregon City.

Peter Skene Ogden passed away on Sept. 27 of that year at the age of 64.

Julia, however, was to live another 32 years. In 1862, the McKinlay family decided to come north to take up land at the southwestern end of Lac La Hache. Archibald McKinlay had also worked with the HBC and was very impressed with the area and its potential.

So it was that in 1863, Archibald, Sarah-Julia, their three sons, their two daughters, Sarah-Julia’s half brother Charles, and 75 year old Julia made their way north on horseback and covered wagon. They travelled from Oregon City to Walla Walla to Penticton to Fort Kamloops and thence to Lac La Hache, arriving in early May.

They constructed a large log dwelling, a store and several outbuildings.

The big log home became the 115 Mile House on the Cariboo Wagon Road, and the McKinlay family remained on this land for the next 79 years.

The store was run by Sarah-Julia and her mother, and the roadhouse was operated by the now grown McKinlay children.

The roadhouse prospered, becoming well known for its good meals and clean beds.

The store and trading post did a brisk business and was known for its honesty.

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The ranch did very well too, supplying beef dairy products and grain to the goldfields to the north.

Once the 115 Mile was running well, Archibald McKinlay and his brother in law Isaac Ogden raised and trained fine racehorses and operated a quality horse race track, part of a large racing circuit in the Cariboo.

As for Julia, she lived to the amazing age of 98, dying peacefully in her sleep. She was buried in the McKinlay family cemetery, later to become the Lac La Hache pioneer cemetery, in 1885.

No pictures are known to exist of Julia, whose life saw amazing experiences and adventure. She was a woman of two cultures who witnessed incredible changes in her long and memorable life.

The article was a bit confusing! In her article, it said she was widowed at 19, moved back home and then married him when she was 31 and he was 29.

For an honorable pioneer of the PNW, look no further than Joel Palmer.

Joel was the first captain of the first group of pioneers to break trail and make their way to Oregon via St. Louis. He's the first recorded person to ever summit Mt. Hood, and this decision is what helped carve the Barlow trail around the mountain and to Oregon City.

He wrote a book about their travels across the western US and was the first person to come up with an English to Chinook language translation and publish it in his novel "Travels over the Rocky Mountains" (a surprisingly good read all these years later). In his book he describes how to interact with the many different tribes one would encounter across the lands and how to trade with them. He even smokes weed with the tribes he likes the most.

He was known for having a way with indigenous Americans, and was appointed the first director of the Bureau of Indian affairs. Unfortunately his career took a huge dive after creating the federalized Indian reservation system. Although full of terrible history and stories, Joel was moved to create the reservation system as a way to prevent the state sponsored genocide that was taking place across the United States. Contextually at the time the west was being expanded and the Palouse wars were going on as well as a really bad measles and smallpox outbreak. By advocating for the reservation system Palmer was able to resolve the war. Still millions of indigenous peoples lost their lives, all of them lost their homes, and he lost his job as many (but historically important to remember not all) people felt that genocide was the right way and the reservation system was too generous.

He retired to what is still considered middle of bum fuck no where Oregon, in Palmer county. He has many things named after him, although surprisingly less than Ogden (that's what he gets for not being a capitalist). My favorite is Palmer snow field up at Timberline. I like to go up there and imagine him hiking up the whole thing in mocassins looking out at the exact same view covering most of the state. Its pure heaven. There's also a very fancy winery and restaurant in the Willamette named after him.

For more modern Oregon/American heroes look into Tom McCall.

PS this is a piggyback hopefully more people can learn about.

Pretty sure you could find this kind of stuff on academic journals/libraries. I would try those in your area to see if they could yield anything. If you're asking popular history (non-academic) it'll need more kabooms.

No, it's good. I reread the article and realized my mistake. It says she had been a widower since the age of 19 and I glossed over that detail and computed he married her as a 19 year old widower in 1819. So in fact she was actually 2 years older than he was and died at the age of 98 after such an amazing life. Just incredible. Thanks for the link by the way.

I’m just quoting the article someone posted about Julia a couple days ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/11h4wog/the_amazing_life_of_julia_rivet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Well I'm basing on the article and not actual information I have on them otherwise. So if the article is inaccurate then so am I.

She was two years older than Ogden. Sounds like an exceptional woman.

This article reads like a book report written by an elementary school student.

Sure thing! It came out this weekend so when I saw her name pop up in this article, I was like, “I know her!” 😂

Western European hunter-gatherers outlasted the icy blast in the past. Easterners got replaced by migrations of newcomers. That’s the implication of the largest study to date of ancient Europeans’ DNA.

Ooh! Thank you!