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penislmaoo t1_jd1asx0 wrote
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So I am learning abt the history of the Barbaries pirates. And in classI learned abt the baños for slaves in class and how there was bars in the baños. And the professor said that they became like social centers for Muslims as well as the Christian’s that lived there.
Which is suprising because those were slave quarters! For the Christian slaves! But my professor made it seem like ordinary Muslims would just pull up and grab a glass too!
So that got me wondering. Assuming my professor was correct, what was the interaction between those two groups like? Cuz the Christian’s in slavery had a relatively nice time of things in the baño compared to what thier own people were doing to more southern Africans. And it’s so bizzare that there would be communal centers for both Christian slaves and Muslim citizens! But there also SLAVES!
So yeah. We’re the baño bars segregated? Was it mostly ex-euro barbaries that visited the baños? Was there fights? Did each group keep to themselves? Or was things just chillin? Did they make friends across the aisle? So many questions.
ArchaeoHugh t1_jd164nt wrote
Reply to comment by Fat0ldguy in Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
We have found bone tools, but they are very small points probably used for aspects of working with skins/leather. The only 'weapons' we have found are arrowheads which were made out of stone and used for hunting. No shields- bone would not be good for that.
Generally when people are 'feasting' on food like animal, you find burnt scraps of bones which are really obvious as they often have butchering marks on it. We have some Neolithic houses and they are chock full of bone fragments from peoples dinner.
ArchaeoHugh t1_jd15rb5 wrote
Reply to comment by kw0711 in Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
Our project performed remote sensing(satellite imagery survey) and helicopter aerial photography of thousands of sites in the region. The site we excavated was then visited on the ground by 4x4 and subsequently selected to be excavated.
We have had a lot of Saudi students be mentored by us during our seasons. The article also was co-written by an academic at a local University.
Fat0ldguy t1_jd13f7k wrote
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Well yeah! The bones were used for tools, weapons, shields...they were as valuable as the meat
kw0711 t1_jd10xeo wrote
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How did you find this area? Were you accompanied by someone from Saudi during the project?
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SwadianZunist t1_jd0w8up wrote
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Why don’t people ever talk about this context when they talk about Prometheus? It seems vital.
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marketrent OP t1_jd0vp9q wrote
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>fighterace00
>The word cult is not even mentioned in the article at all.
‘Cult’ is the first word in the title of the peer-reviewed research article:
>Kennedy M, Strolin L, McMahon J, Franklin D, Flavel A, et al. (2023) Cult, herding, and ‘pilgrimage’ in the Late Neolithic of north-west Arabia: Excavations at a mustatil east of AlUla. PLOS ONE 18(3): e0281904. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0281904
korish77 t1_jd0tj9b wrote
Reply to Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
I wonder if any current religions will be considered cults in a thousand years from now
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flowersmom t1_jd0r34e wrote
Reply to Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
I wonder whatever gave ancient man the idea to sacrifice animals and people in the first place
ArchaeoHugh t1_jd0qs5h wrote
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My pleasure. If you want to read more about it - you can download our academic paper on it for free https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0281904
Xtorting t1_jd0q0so wrote
Reply to comment by StekenDeluxe in Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
For Judaism, any new Temple that is raised must have all the tools and instruments cleaned with the blood of a red heifer (cow). This was specifically laid out in the law of Moses. Once the 3rd Temple is raised there will be animal sacrifices again. However, it is important to note that Judaism have not had a new Temple to make any animal sacrifices in over 2000 years.
The reason Christians stopped blood sacrifices was due to Jesus shedding his blood as a sacrifice for us. Some sections of Christian faiths believe Christ will bring back blood sacrifices when he returns. Technically, there is a symbolic blood sacrifice for Christians during the sacrament every Sunday. Wine or water symbolizing the blood of Christ.
Muslims have continued the tradition of annual animal sacrifices to this day commemorating Abraham (Ibrahim) sacrificing his son.
KLR01001 t1_jd0n41k wrote
Reply to comment by Probably_Not_Evil in Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
Pretty much all of the Hebrew Bible sacrifices.
lifeiscelebration t1_jd0m7zq wrote
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It doesn't sound so bad when you put it that way
GSilky t1_jd0lz7d wrote
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Check out art history. Often, if you study an individual work, the circumstances surrounding it are examined. Everything from the mood of the artist to whatever event inspired the work is covered. For instance, if you read Candide you will get a tour of Europe and such as known by one of the smarter people of the 18th century. You would learn about why he wrote it, as well as the effects it had on the culture and politics. Art history is a great inroad for something besides political or military history.
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Probably_Not_Evil t1_jd0ipxk wrote
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Very interesting! Thanks for the response!
cosmotosed t1_jd0i6hh wrote
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Clearly Zeus was from Nobility if he couldn’t discern the difference between a pile of bones and a pile of meat with a cow stomach on top ;)
ArchaeoHugh t1_jd0hwez wrote
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Just to say, the academic paper this article is based on is open source and free for people to read and download.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0281904
IFailedTuringTestAMA t1_jd1dk2a wrote
Reply to comment by StekenDeluxe in Saudi Arabia stone ruins were pilgrimage sites, where an ancient cult gathered to sacrifice animals about 7,000 years ago by marketrent
Gods don’t actually exist which is what I was getting at due your phrasing… It’s interesting that now you went out on your own and found all the sources that the person you were originally, pedantically arguing with would’ve found useful to prove you wrong about the blood offerings haha
Also, those are all blood offerings to gods, not those same cultures eating blood… I feel like this is an information dump of irrelevant info
It’s sort of the original commenters point - they offer blood to gods claiming it’s sustenance but those same cultures aren’t necessarily eating that blood. They’re taking the good meat