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beka13 t1_jdumthb wrote

I love that they all dressed up in tartans to show off the tartan.

Found another pic here https://www.thenational.scot/news/23413472.scotlands-oldest-tartan-discovered-glen-affric-peat-bog/ (and learned there's a newspaper dedicated to Scottish independence).

I'm into fiber arts and it's always so nice to see examples from the past. It can be so ephemeral but we manage to get bits and pieces.

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Bodark43 t1_jdum4ny wrote

The English would have been as likely to be playing bagpipes in the 13th century as the Scots.

But the harsh sound of Highland pipes can to some extent be blamed on relatively recent pipeband competitions. The 18th century ones, before the Victorian Scottish revival, were sweeter, pitched at A, not Bb. But when a competition is between pipe bands, includes drums and is set outside on a parade ground ( instead of listening to a lone piper in someone's house) the edgier sound wins.

The 18th c. pipes sounded more like present-day Border pipes Lively enough to play for a dance, but not maddeningly loud.

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Hushwater t1_jdulmar wrote

If an important figure requested to be buried with two thousand heads of sheep, if I was the mummists it would be easier to mummify literally just the heads. Imagine in the afterlife they are sitting there with 2000 sheep heads and just face palm because they took the instruction literally. Joking of coarse, I have the utmost respect for ancient culture.

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CoffeeshopWithACause t1_jduk360 wrote

Pretty much. 'Whereas tartan - that is, cloth woven in a geometrical pattern of colours - was known in Scotland in the sixteenth century [...] the philibeg - name and thing - is unknown before the eighteenth century. So far from being a traditional Highland dress, it was invented by an Englishman after the Union of 1707; and the differentiated 'clan tartans' are an even later invention.'

From The Invention of Tradition, eds. Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, contribution by Hugh Trevor-Roper.

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AnaphoricReference t1_jdujoe8 wrote

If mere dark-light checkered textiles count, the oldest dyed tartan in the Netherlands is from 800 BC. Checkered textiles are hardly an original idea. Most traditional "ethnic" dress is a lot younger than most people like to believe.

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