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theunscaledbanana t1_jdutbtj wrote
Reply to comment by Docoe in Over 2,000 Mummified Sheep Heads Unearthed In Egypt Temple by cargo_run_rust
Snacks. You are going to need snacks. 2000 sheep heads will keep you going for a while.
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PunchieCWG t1_jdur02p wrote
Reply to Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
So does the tartan pattern correspond to any particular clan or was that a thing that came later?
Edit: nvm the article says it was found on what was then Chisholm lands but they can't say for certain
Kurta_711 t1_jdupmp9 wrote
Reply to comment by Blabulus in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
A great amount of "traditional" Scottish culture is a rather recent invention
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beka13 t1_jdumthb wrote
Reply to Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
I love that they all dressed up in tartans to show off the tartan.
Found another pic here https://www.thenational.scot/news/23413472.scotlands-oldest-tartan-discovered-glen-affric-peat-bog/ (and learned there's a newspaper dedicated to Scottish independence).
I'm into fiber arts and it's always so nice to see examples from the past. It can be so ephemeral but we manage to get bits and pieces.
Bodark43 t1_jdum4ny wrote
Reply to comment by Kavbastyrd in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
The English would have been as likely to be playing bagpipes in the 13th century as the Scots.
But the harsh sound of Highland pipes can to some extent be blamed on relatively recent pipeband competitions. The 18th century ones, before the Victorian Scottish revival, were sweeter, pitched at A, not Bb. But when a competition is between pipe bands, includes drums and is set outside on a parade ground ( instead of listening to a lone piper in someone's house) the edgier sound wins.
The 18th c. pipes sounded more like present-day Border pipes Lively enough to play for a dance, but not maddeningly loud.
Hushwater t1_jdulmar wrote
If an important figure requested to be buried with two thousand heads of sheep, if I was the mummists it would be easier to mummify literally just the heads. Imagine in the afterlife they are sitting there with 2000 sheep heads and just face palm because they took the instruction literally. Joking of coarse, I have the utmost respect for ancient culture.
Flashwastaken t1_jduk5rl wrote
Reply to comment by ZDTreefur in Over 2,000 Mummified Sheep Heads Unearthed In Egypt Temple by cargo_run_rust
Why wouldn’t we?
MeatballDom OP t1_jduk4em wrote
Reply to comment by HUMINT06 in The difficulties of translating gender in ancient texts by MeatballDom
That's modern Greek, but thanks for proving my point. Next time maybe don't make big stands about things you have zero knowledge about. Leave it to the experts.
CoffeeshopWithACause t1_jduk360 wrote
Reply to comment by barkfoot in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Pretty much. 'Whereas tartan - that is, cloth woven in a geometrical pattern of colours - was known in Scotland in the sixteenth century [...] the philibeg - name and thing - is unknown before the eighteenth century. So far from being a traditional Highland dress, it was invented by an Englishman after the Union of 1707; and the differentiated 'clan tartans' are an even later invention.'
From The Invention of Tradition, eds. Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, contribution by Hugh Trevor-Roper.
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AnaphoricReference t1_jdujoe8 wrote
Reply to comment by Javaddict in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
If mere dark-light checkered textiles count, the oldest dyed tartan in the Netherlands is from 800 BC. Checkered textiles are hardly an original idea. Most traditional "ethnic" dress is a lot younger than most people like to believe.
missanthropocenex t1_jdujk9g wrote
Reply to comment by Kavbastyrd in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Yeah go look at old illustrations even. They do have kilt like clothing but they were generally solid colors and I believe were yellow mostly.
barkfoot t1_jduj7xp wrote
Reply to comment by ContentsMayVary in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
So Tartans were much older and widespread and more recently became distinctly Scottish and multicoloured?
InGenAche t1_jduit14 wrote
Reply to comment by Blabulus in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Most tartans are far newer than that, it was more or less an invention in Victorian times to sell in the new industry, tourism.
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Cliff_Dibble t1_jduhivn wrote
Reply to comment by Kavbastyrd in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Honestly it's for entertainment not education.
ContentsMayVary t1_jdugyrc wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
But that's a "Border Tartan" (two colours, undyed) rather than a "Scottish Tartan" (multiple colours, dyed) which is the distinction they are making.
Dlo-Nainamsat t1_jdug04u wrote
Reply to comment by Kavbastyrd in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
There is so many historically wrong issues with Brave Heart but I still enjoyed it more than once.
Chrisjamesmc t1_jdutxdm wrote
Reply to comment by ZDTreefur in Over 2,000 Mummified Sheep Heads Unearthed In Egypt Temple by cargo_run_rust
It’s amazing isn’t it? And it’s not just small things. Every so often you hear about colossal statues getting dug up in Cairo suburbs or from under riverbeds.