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trundlinggrundle t1_jdvgj3w wrote
Reply to comment by thefrostmakesaflower in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
No, we definitely know they're a Scottish thing. Most of us picture the Irish with suspenders and little bowler hats.
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Parabellim t1_jdvfyxt wrote
Reply to Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Do you reckon the sheep that made that tartan are still alive today?
Ctotheg t1_jdvfd8n wrote
Reply to comment by Tap_Z_or_R_Twice in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Braveheart was the nickname for King Robert the Bruce, not William Wallace.
And when Wallace was executed it was worse than the film: Four different horses, one per limb, dragged Wallace for miles to his execution. He was hanged almost to the point of death, before being taken down and horrifically mutilated. While still breathing, his genitals were sliced off, his entrails pulled out, and his innards burned in front of him. It was only then Wallace was decapitated and dismembered. Wallace's head was placed on London Bridge, while the four quarters of his body were placed in Stirling, Aberdeen, Berwick, and Newcastle.
-Gabe t1_jdvejqg wrote
Reply to comment by BasicLuxury in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
It might've tasted a bit different than modern day Scotches, but aqua vitae is a distilled drink; and we known malted barley was used. So a distilled drink made from malted barley in Scotland first appeared in 1496.
It might not be aged and as potent as required by modern-day standards, but it is going to be fairly close to what you'd most closely identify as Scotch.
iboughtsomegrace t1_jdveduk wrote
Reply to comment by atlantis_airlines in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Check out Hugh Trevor-Roper's "The Invention of Tradition" if you want to walk away fully disappointed in the history of Scotland's most famous traditions.
AnaphoricReference t1_jdve8kt wrote
Reply to comment by Wombbread69 in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Both basketweave and dyeing are obviously millenia old, and sometimes occur together from about 1000BC onwards. But looms, widespread trade in dyes, and textile industry are a lot younger.
The idea of all people in the clan wearing the same complex pattern in a number of different colours kind of presupposes a local textile industry using looms that could repetitively and inexpensively produce the exact same pattern. No way poorer clan members would have managed to do that at home.
Littlesecretgal t1_jdvdio1 wrote
Reply to comment by thefrostmakesaflower in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
I don't know of anyone who thinks they are Irish. Signed, an American.
AstrumRimor t1_jdvbwce wrote
Reply to comment by missanthropocenex in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
I think those might be leather. The Romans often bitched about how the British tribes were barbarians still wearing animal skins lol
AstrumRimor t1_jdvb5pc wrote
Reply to comment by Tap_Z_or_R_Twice in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
I thought he def also got his junk chopped, too?
AstrumRimor t1_jdvb0am wrote
Reply to comment by beadebaser in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
So what would he actually have worn? Furs and leathers?
BasicLuxury t1_jdvao1k wrote
Reply to comment by -Gabe in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Oldest known aquavitae of brasii (malt/beer) 1495, does that mean Scotch? Some people have chosen to belive it does.
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Taylo t1_jdv9owv wrote
Reply to comment by BasicLuxury in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Ah, perhaps it's some technicality or legal thing cementing Scotch whisky vs the various rums. But yeah they were definitely making whisky in Scotland before rum in the Caribbean.
supafluous t1_jdv9md3 wrote
Reply to comment by Knows_all_secrets in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Preposterous. Surely he would use the Washington Crossing Bridge.
-Gabe t1_jdv9c4y wrote
Reply to comment by Taylo in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
Yeah, /u/BasicLuxury is wrong...
Earliest known rum was 1628.
Earliest known scotch was 1496.
Jazzanthipus t1_jdv927t wrote
Reply to comment by TiberiusClackus in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
The Patriot coulda been so much more fun
thefrostmakesaflower t1_jdv8saj wrote
Reply to comment by Blabulus in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
I will just be happy when Americans and Canadians realise kilts are Scottish and not Irish.
Wombbread69 t1_jdv8oa1 wrote
Reply to comment by AnaphoricReference in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
You can get dark and light patterns by using different colors of wool. They don't necessarily have to be dyed. They could have used wool from different colored sheep. I think the "true" tartans had reds, greens and blues in them, definitely dyed.
BasicLuxury t1_jdv8mnv wrote
Reply to comment by Taylo in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
It was some interview with Matt Pietrek. I can't remember the specific one. I might have been more about the specific product we call Scotch, than a general statement on distilling in Scotland.
HopliteOracle t1_jdviutw wrote
Reply to comment by Kurta_711 in Oldest tartan found to date back to 16th Century - A scrap of fabric found in a Highland peat bog 40 years ago is likely to be the oldest tartan ever discovered in Scotland, new tests have established. by ArtOak
A great amount of “traditional” culture is a rather recent invention. Think about chillies used in asian cuisine etc.