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__Claire_Memes__ t1_jdwcmwv wrote

I’m definitely focusing on the US perception as well as Japanese citizens since from what I understand they brush over WWll till Hiroshima and completely denying Nanking which is why I wanted that book as a specific source. Though I could be wrong.

Thank you for the Archives source I had no clue about it. I’m excited to check it out when I get the chance. Thank you for the help.

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don_tomlinsoni t1_jdwchlc wrote

They are, they just don't come from Scotland.

From Wikipedia:

Today tartan is mostly associated with Scotland; however, the earliest evidence of tartan is found far afield from Britain. According to the textile historian E. J. W. Barber, the Hallstatt culture of Central Europe, which is linked with ancient Celtic populations and flourished between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, produced tartan-like textiles. Some of them were discovered in 2004, remarkably preserved, in the Hallstatt salt mines near Salzburg, Austria.[6] Textile analysis of fabric from the Tarim mummies in Xinjiang, northwestern China has also shown it to be similar to that of the Iron Age Hallstatt culture.[15] Tartan-like leggings were found on the "Cherchen Man", a 3,000 year-old mummy found in the Taklamakan Desert.[16] Similar finds have been made in central Europe and Scandinavia.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan

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don_tomlinsoni t1_jdwbs03 wrote

It's the oldest found in Scotland.

From Wikipedia:

Today tartan is mostly associated with Scotland; however, the earliest evidence of tartan is found far afield from Britain. According to the textile historian E. J. W. Barber, the Hallstatt culture of Central Europe, which is linked with ancient Celtic populations and flourished between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, produced tartan-like textiles. Some of them were discovered in 2004, remarkably preserved, in the Hallstatt salt mines near Salzburg, Austria.[6] Textile analysis of fabric from the Tarim mummies in Xinjiang, northwestern China has also shown it to be similar to that of the Iron Age Hallstatt culture.[15] Tartan-like leggings were found on the "Cherchen Man", a 3,000 year-old mummy found in the Taklamakan Desert.[16] Similar finds have been made in central Europe and Scandinavia.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan

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__Claire_Memes__ t1_jdwbpor wrote

Thank you, I think that the way I framed my question was possibly misleading I definitely don’t believe “Hello Kitty was because of war crimes” I was definitely using it as move of an attention grabber even though it was a little deceiving, but more of a timeline of when outsiders POV of Japan begin to shift from then to now.

The morally gray bit in the 40s-50s is something I want to talk about as well as the Tokyo War Trials. I will definitely try coming at it at a differ angle I greatly appreciate the help.

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Wombbread69 t1_jdw4k8s wrote

I don't think it became a predominantly male occupation until it started to become industrialized. That probably also depends on location. I could be wrong though, haven't looked into it that much.

I also wouldn't go as far to say it was "traditionally" a male occupation... I'd say it became a male dominated occupation in "modern" history. It traditionally was a female occupation. From my understanding.

Good point nonetheless.

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dscarbon333 t1_jdw3gx3 wrote

That is an interesting discussion.

It is peculiar to me that they don't mention the volcanic activity associated component/variable, sort of artificially skews the message of piece of writing arguably, but none the less, as can be seen from the sources they cite.....

For ex., from first source they cite in references;

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2219118120

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Turner’s documentation of the optical effects of aerosols is also on display in the context of explosive volcanic eruptions. Turner’s paintings show changes in sunset coloration that accord with the expected effects of volcanic eruptions injecting aerosols into the stratosphere (5, 6). Turner also produced a sketchbook of 65 watercolors of sunsets in the three years following the Tambora eruption that captures the waxing and waning of the atmospheric reddening associated with stratospheric volcanic aerosols (SI Appendix, Fig. S8C). The fact that the course of events that Turner documents is consistent with the expected timescale associated with stratospheric aerosol migration and deposition following a volcanic eruption, (i.e., 1 to 3 y, 34) is further evidence for Turner providing a faithful depiction of variations in atmospheric light phenomena.

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I'm not blaming you OP it is an acute omission on the original author's part perhaps, which I can understand could be sort of misleading, given sort of obscurity vis. said topic.

But seriously good on you OP it is an interesting phenomenon, thank you for bringing it up perhaps :).

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TheGreatOneSea t1_jdw2cle wrote

Are you focusing on their perception in the US, Asia, in Japan itself, or all the NATO states?

If you try to discuss all of them, you'll probably end up with a 300+ page essay, because the issue of Japanese war crimes is incredibly messy, given the sheer number of nations involved in covering every atrocity.

I will say this though, the "cover up" wasn't so much policy as it was practicality: the US was mostly concerned with the treatment of US prisoners at the time, with the expectation that other countries would follow up for their own people with documentation. This being the era of paper, there wasn't much of an exchange of information between the countries, and usually amounted to "Japanese soldiers shot a bunch of civilians in this area" anyway.

Attaching actual names to such events was basically impossible without resorting to torturing soldiers for information ("Itou killed someone? Which Itou? You don't know? What a pity.") and killing thousands of Japanese soldiers just in case would somewhat defy the point of trying to rebuild Japan.

Regardless, I do recommend starting with "Japanese War Crimes Records at the National Archives," because it's both free, and goes into a lot of the difficulties with the war crime trials. For the Japanese cultural shift itself, you should probably decide on a specific time and place to first.

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AstrumRimor t1_jdvzsd7 wrote

Oh lol my bad. I just finished bingeing the Fall of Civilizations series on YouTube and all of human history is one big scrambled mess in my brain now. It all happened in the same year, way back when, basically lol.

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