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Liutasiun t1_iutilez wrote
Reply to comment by Teantis in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
I'd hardly call it just 'using the language of the western allies' considering it was always used extensively in terms of inward propaganda. One of Hitler's major promise was reversing Versailles, which included the territorial loss Versailles represented.
You are right that after they were at war with the Allies they didn't use that justification anymore, but that was probably in part because at that point they already occupied all of the territories they could even possibly claim as belonging to Germany. I still am not sure I'd say they had 'next to no' justification. They of course used the "Lebensraum" bit were they argued Germany needed more territory for the 'Arian' race. But they also used standard red scare tactics. The official justification for Barbarossa was that the Soviets were planning to attack the nazis (which, given a couple more years, very well might have happpened).
24111 t1_iuthvlh wrote
Reply to comment by Raging-Fuhry in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
Didn't help the sanctions from piling on though. That chapter of history gets buried way too deep from public consciousness given who the supposed "democracies" were supporting.
talrogsmash t1_iuthp62 wrote
Reply to comment by Melquiades-the-Gypsy in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
Or communist sympathizers all clapping each other on the back.
24111 t1_iuthnrb wrote
Reply to comment by ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
Up until the end where the occupation turned extremely unpopular, and afaik plenty of Cambodians don't see that favorably today.
They still had a way better justification than the US got anywhere hilariously enough, but that didn't stop the sanctions. And Polpot were pretty much alive and well still at the end of the occupation, supported by Thailand.
Marcolepsyyy t1_iuthlrm wrote
Reply to comment by blahbleh112233 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
That was my understanding as well. The upper tier of the CIA was well aware that this was a doomed invasion and were trying to force Kennedy's hand into committing to a larger conflict. Also fits as to why Kennedy sacked Dulles and a quarter of the CIA personnel in the wake of the failed invasion.
Anglicanpolitics123 OP t1_iutgrg6 wrote
Reply to comment by GrimReader710 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
So it's interesting. That wasn't actually Castro who said that. It was Che Guevara who said that to Richard Goodwin, Kennedy's aide.
rwoodman t1_iutg9y7 wrote
Reply to comment by NostalgicFrolicking in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
I think one attempt at air support turned into a disaster for the invaders because a squadron of B25 bombers flying from Central America missed their American carrier based fighter cover because somebody failed to account for a time zone difference. The Cuban Air Force, flying armed T33 trainers, (2-seat F89's) wiped out the bombers and were home to toast the US fighters when they finally showed up.
Fabulous-Fox3057 t1_iutg28u wrote
Reply to comment by Convergecult15 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
He wrote 2 books about how he defeated Batista (the cuban dictator) armies . He fought majorly in the Mountains of Sierra Maestra . In the book he depicts the geography of the region.When he was in charge of the economy of Cuba he knew how to use the geography of Cuba for our own interests. He was by no means perfect but his knowledge helped building our economy. An example was the proyect "la voluntad hidraulica". Is a great network of dams in Cuba . Even after his dead we are finishing " el trasvase este oeste" I don't know if you knew that Cuba suffers from drought in the central region. So the " trasvase " is a colosal proyect to bring water from the east to the west. That Will allow us to develop farming in the central region .There are many other examples.
eeeee_hamster t1_iutdnuw wrote
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Can anyone recommend books on the tragic loss of life in world war1?
Nathan-Stubblefield t1_iutcmto wrote
Reply to When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
I’ve heard that George Bush senior was a planner or facilitator of the Bay of Pigs landing while working with the CIA. His 1953 Houston based petroleum company was called Zapata Offshore, like the code name Operation Zapata for the landings. Two of the support ships were named Barbara, like Mrs. Bush, and Houston.
pressure_7 t1_iutcarm wrote
Reply to comment by Fabulous-Fox3057 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
I think you are too humble to apologize for your English, it is quite good
Convergecult15 t1_iutbtas wrote
Reply to comment by Fabulous-Fox3057 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
What do you know about Castros understanding of geography?
GreatCornolio t1_iutabpz wrote
Reply to comment by ChessTiger in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
There were a lot of people over there happy/open to it. That went away after about two weeks of lawlessness and looting tho
Stalins_Moustachio t1_iuta481 wrote
Reply to comment by Zoilist_PaperClip in Bookclub Wednesday! by AutoModerator
My obvious recommendation would be Islamic Gunpowder Empires: Ottomans, Safavids, and Mughals by Douglas Streusand. But for an added in depth look, I recommend the following:
Afghanistan by Jonatahn A. Lee. The books provides a great overview of Afghanistan's rich history from the 15th century to the modern day.
America and Iran: A History, 1720 to the Present whose name is self-explanatory. I enjoyed this one as it overcomes the common, but wrong, perception many have that Washington's historic relationship of interaction with Tehran started only after the Islamic Revolution.
David Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace, and The Last Muslim Conquest: The Ottoman Empire and Its Wars in Europe by Gàbor Àgoston. The latter provides an in depth and rich look at the Ottoman Empire's socio-economic and military history from the Empire's rise to the Siege of Vienna and beyond. Why I really loved this book was the author's tying in of pertinent events within the Ottoman Empire to those on Europe, such as the rise of the Hapsburgs. Àgoston also does a great job examining key details within the Empire, such as frontier management, intelligence, diplomacy and military structure!
grapeswisher420 t1_iuta1b9 wrote
Reply to comment by F1ackM0nk3y in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
That’s my understanding. The US picked the exact spot where Fidel ran around as a kid, and Fidel personally directed the counterattack.
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listerine411 t1_iut768e wrote
Reply to comment by Anglicanpolitics123 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
He never lifted a finger on civil rights.
He has brother AG wiretap Martin Luther King. https://todayinclh.com/?event=ag-robert-kennedy-approves-wiretaps-on-martin-luther-king
Teantis t1_iut71bx wrote
Reply to comment by Liutasiun in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
Initially, only because they were using the language of the western allies to leverage them into not acting. All the ones you cited were before any of the allies joined the war. Beyond those initial gains it was their actual motivation of pure conquest, Barbarossa and onward they dropped all pretense.
Japan kept up their Asian co prosperity sphere messaging throughout.
Containedmultitudes t1_iut4yz4 wrote
Reply to comment by recycled_ideas in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
I feel like liberating a people from a different foreign occupier is the sticking point with WWII. Even the Nazis had some of that good will in their invasions of Eastern Europe (although the people quickly realized the Nazis had no liberatory intentions).
Containedmultitudes t1_iut4ju1 wrote
Reply to comment by Atilim87 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
> The most extravagant idea that can take root in the head of a politician is to believe that it is enough for one people to invade a foreign people to make it adopt its laws and constitution. No one likes armed missionaries; and the first advice given by nature and prudence is to repel them as enemies.
Robespierre, unsuccessfully lobbying against the French revolutionary wars.
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alekk88 t1_iut2580 wrote
Reply to comment by rockrnger in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
And then he won against a national army supplied by the United States
Nepomucky t1_iutjqis wrote
Reply to When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
Are there any books related to this conflict, in special Fidel's understanding of geography, that you would recommend?