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Drevil335 t1_iv67pi4 wrote
Reply to comment by Objective-Steak-9763 in The Unbelievable 7,000-Year-Old Indigenous Australian Story That Scientists Proved Is Accurate - Grunge by truscottwc
That's pretty neat, but not even close to the scale of the extreme rigor of these Indigenous Australian oral traditions. 170 years is basically just two or three generations of elders; no one alive now was around back then, but the elderly bard recounting his tale to his people probably had a grandparent that was there to witness the events, or at least hear of them as they were happening. Therefore, the story would only need to be passed along a few times before it's present incarnation. In a game of telephone, which this can be compared to, the original phrase is usually mostly intact after being passed along to only two or three people.
To pass down a story from 7000 years ago, however, it would need to be told at least a hundred times, though probably many times more. That opens up a lot of opportunity for certain storytellers to add elements, and others to forget certain details, and yet more to slip up on certain figures or change names; the end result may be nothing like what actually happened in reality that inspired it. On this sort of timescale, it is also very possible for a story to simply stop being told, and thus be completely forgotten to posterity.
The example that you posted was cool, but not particularly unique. The article above tells of an oral storytelling tradition that has proved impeccably, perhaps uniquely, accurate even after millenia.
bafangoolNJ OP t1_iv62ajp wrote
According to Farley, Vikings could have easily travelled south from Newfoundland along North America's eastern seaboard, then swung around the tip of Florida to the Gulf of Mexico where they could enter the Mississippi River, which flowed into to the Arkansas River, which in turn led into the Poteau River in Oklahoma.
"The Poteau River is just a few miles from here," said Garcia. "Don't think about how the waterways look now. Before all [the] man-made lakes and dams, these little creeks were big rivers and waterways back then."
Skookum_J t1_iv5xaym wrote
Reply to comment by Drevil335 in The Unbelievable 7,000-Year-Old Indigenous Australian Story That Scientists Proved Is Accurate - Grunge by truscottwc
There's a whole string of stories from Australia that talk about sea level rise. Some have been checked and found to tell accurate details from 10,000 years ago.
There's also the stories around Crater Lake, Oregon that have details suggesting they saw the eruption of Mt Mazama 7700 years ago.
Other stories have been suggested to contain oral history. But they're hard to prove or find evidence for. I know of outburst flood stories from N America and Asia, that are suggestive of ancient floods. But it's hard to disentangle ancient flood stories from more recent floods.
Larielia t1_iv5wq62 wrote
What are some good books about mediaval Denmark and Norway?
Stalins_Moustachio t1_iv5qd6s wrote
Reply to comment by thescripter2001 in The locations of the Alexandrias: we all know of the one in Egypt, but Alexander founded up to 70 cities bearing his name. Here are some of the other ones I’ve discovered reading about ancient geography. by babushkalauncher
They had no direct relationship as they lived centuries apart. But Caligula is said to have dug up Alexander's grave and donned his armour.
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BMW_M5_COMPETITION t1_iv5ga09 wrote
I'm writing an assignment in school and would like some explanations on STASI along with relevant sources as my teacher expects me to cite where i found my information from.
Explain 3 key differences between STASI and SÄPO (Swedish intelligence agency, this is what the assignment says but the comparison can be made to any modern intelligence agency) I believe the teacher is talking about persecution and murder conducted by STASI
How was it possible for STASI to deploy so many agents to various countries around Europe? How can an organisation get such a large influence in a country? Why did so many cooperate with them?
Brangusler t1_iv5g621 wrote
Reply to comment by drab_accountant in Researchers unveil secrets of the largest stash of Roman coins ever found in Spain by IslandChillin
Roman coins are like a few bucks on eBay
TheL0ngGame t1_iv5fjng wrote
Reply to comment by Drevil335 in The Unbelievable 7,000-Year-Old Indigenous Australian Story That Scientists Proved Is Accurate - Grunge by truscottwc
not exactly an oral example, but the dogon ceremony which acknowledges sirius b.
Quincyperson t1_iv5az75 wrote
Reply to The Unbelievable 7,000-Year-Old Indigenous Australian Story That Scientists Proved Is Accurate - Grunge by truscottwc
So is this like an Australian Doggerland?
Objective-Steak-9763 t1_iv5a8mj wrote
Reply to comment by Drevil335 in The Unbelievable 7,000-Year-Old Indigenous Australian Story That Scientists Proved Is Accurate - Grunge by truscottwc
Inuit oral history said where missing boats had sunk 170 years later
Lapidariest t1_iv56ovl wrote
Reply to Researchers unveil secrets of the largest stash of Roman coins ever found in Spain by IslandChillin
Spoiler... It was hyperinflation that caused the hoard to be stashed because the later emperors lowered the content of silver in the coins and more coins had to be used for large transactions six as in a food production villa.
thescripter2001 t1_iv56odc wrote
Reply to comment by Stalins_Moustachio in The locations of the Alexandrias: we all know of the one in Egypt, but Alexander founded up to 70 cities bearing his name. Here are some of the other ones I’ve discovered reading about ancient geography. by babushkalauncher
Hmm, I never knew that Caligula did this. Can someone tell me what their relationship was? All I know about Caligula is that the dude became lunatic because of some disease he had
tatramatra t1_iv55vum wrote
Depends which writings and when. Papyrus scrolls were used to store large literally works, but papyrus was expensive and had to be imported from Egypt. Vellum and parchment were used too, both been made from skins of calf or sheep/goat respectively. Another alternative was sheets of textile -paradoxically some ancient literally works were preserved to our times because they were reused as wrappings for mummies in Egypt (up to Roman imperial times).
Note that all above materials were fairly expensive and not readily available for commoners. While today textile for example is cheap and mass produced, in historical pre-industrial times textiles had to be laboriously made by hand. Similarly vellum and parchment had to be laboriously made by working off and thinning out the skins of animals.
For shorter more day to day texts and records, clay/pottery was used. Either in form of sun dried tablets or shards (called ostraca).
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Reply to comment by ChaddymacMadlad in Why was unified Italy so culturally divided but unified Germany wasn't? by Bro_c0ly
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SacroLimes t1_iv4vly2 wrote
Simply because it is not completely true. Most of those who present Italy in this way are usually non-Italians who tend to misunderstand the behaviors and ways of Italians. It remains true that, especially in the past, theories have been devised, even with a racial background, which tried to justify the backwardness of the south by defining the Italian south as another race, but also in Germany the population was divided into different races (Alpine and Nordic), but this is a borderline case that goes beyond what most people think. Italians tend to highlight their regional peculiarities and this, abroad, is taken as confirmation that there is a lack of a sense of national unity which, however, exists and is present. And this sense has been present since the Middle Ages, Dante, father of the Italian language, spoke of Italy as a political and cultural concept, Machiavelli in 1500 wrote essays to explain why Italy was not politically united like France and always in the 16th century Italian intellectuals debated what should be the common Italian language to be used in all Italian states, a common language in which books and laws would then be written and which would be used in universities. I could go on to give thousands of examples, but the fact is that many think that the concept of the Italian nation came out of nowhere in the 19th century, while it was already present in the minds of much of Italy.
I note that this reference to divisions is often remarked in the youtube videos of foreigners and Italians who have a superficial culture, often obtained from the vision of so-called videos. I can assure you that both at the popular level, as a man in the street, and at the academic level, in the universities, no one will tell you that the internal difference between Italians was so greater than the German one.
oxfouzer t1_iv4uhea wrote
Reply to comment by ArkyBeagle in The company WHAM-O (known for producing toys) also had an extremely limited run of firearms under the brand name WAMO by Doobliheim
Funny how every time I use simple silver math I get consistent prices huh? Like, how much does a cheap pistol cost these days? Oh, like $400? The amount I calculated using simple precious metals?
So 70 years ago I could get a cheap pistol for 21 oz of silver, and today I can get a cheap pistol for 21 oz of silver?
Nah, it must be bad math. I bet the CPI inflation calculator is more accurate - not like it’s a completely manipulated metric, controlled by people whose sole interest is to underrepresent it or anything.
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Adog1201 t1_iv4rj5g wrote
Reply to The company WHAM-O (known for producing toys) also had an extremely limited run of firearms under the brand name WAMO by Doobliheim
Someone does their NYT archived crosswords I see you
Mswati44 t1_iv699rp wrote
Reply to Simple/Short/Silly History Questions Saturday! by AutoModerator
Hi I'm planning to join a student union and need a nickname to be addressed with. Do you know of any historical figures that are 1) male 2) interesting 3) and have a rather short concise name? Something like "Pericles" or "Caesar" would be great... Thanks in advance for your suggestions!