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dwn19 t1_ivcq790 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

I mean if you wanted to make that point just make it man, no reason to beat around it so much. Either way I would simply say the Stasi learning from the Gestapo is no different from the Gestapo learning from the Cheka, who probably learned things from Russian Empire police, who probably learned things from European colonial policing. Secret polices are just a tool of authoritarianism I wouldn't suggest one learning from another is a continuation of persistence of a specific ideology, you could probably trace a lot of the stuff the Gestapo were doing back to revolutionary France.

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MortimerGraves t1_ivco1qf wrote

Reply to comment by arran-reddit in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

> it's worth noting there was segregation on the USA bases in the UK and they requested that business impose segregation

Yeah, that didn't go well in other countries where US forces were either. :)

"American servicemen... objected to Māori soldiers also using the Club, and on 3 April 1943 began stopping Māori soldiers from entering." Battle of Manners Street (Wellington, NZ).

(Edited: typo)

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TheDJ955 t1_ivcmjme wrote

Reply to comment by Ok_Kaleidoscope1630 in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

Yep, one of the POW’s was a guy named Bert Trautmann, detained in Belgium then transported to Essex, he was the equivalent of a sergeant in the Luftwaffe with the 35th infantry and received an Iron Cross, he later became a professional footballer for Manchester City, he even has a statue in the general area of the stadium.

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Wazzok1 t1_ivcm8kk wrote

Reply to comment by RavenReel in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

I didn't dispute the reasons for internment, so I'll say it again: you also implied that in the same context today, the British government wouldn't intern refugees from enemy combatant states.

To answer your second point, there was absolutely opposition to the camps at the time, from mainstream British newspapers, members of the public, and from the internees. It doesn't matter that I wasn't there; there's more than enough evidence that a number of people were against it at the time.

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Y34rZer0 t1_ivclrb1 wrote

Reply to comment by anon83479953 in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

Also some were shipped to Canada where they were model prisoners and were allowed out to help on farms and they even obtained university degrees via correspondence. A lot emigrated to Canada and I remember once saying that being taken POW was the best thing that ever happened to him in his life.

What was funny though was that the Germans created their own stricter camp rules

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cannondave t1_ivclhof wrote

Reply to They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

And many of the high profile nazis were not only spared, but smuggled out, saved and given wealth and great jobs by the US. Google Operation Paperclip

Edit: Shame on you downvoting just because you don't like the history. It's people like you, willfully ignorant, who suppress and ignores history, enabling it to happen again and again. Shame on you, defenders of nazis.

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RavenReel t1_ivckrff wrote

Reply to comment by Wazzok1 in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

It implies that in the early 1900s there wasn't close to as much immigration as there is now and big brutal wars were kinda common. Having 20,000 immigrants or refugees coming from the country attacking you might be a little overwhelming and dangerous. The only thing they could do was to isolate people. There likely wasn't a decision to punish the Germans because they were Jews. It was likely to protect the Allies. Everyone was on board because they might have lost the war otherwise. You or I don't know the complete context of camps, we weren't there. And 'you' have no idea how '1940 you' would react to the camps.

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dwn19 t1_ivck5tz wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

I literally have no clue how people like you ever had any kind of discussion. I notice you didn't bring up my omission of the water quality of the Congo in the years 1974-1975 either, silly me for keeping a post about a specific subject and topic and not embracing every part of history in my post.

We are simply talking about Denazification here, not the quality, sustainability or legitimacy of the German States.

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jimnantzstie t1_ivcjvbs wrote

Reply to comment by eeeee_hamster in Bookclub Wednesday! by AutoModerator

A Storm in Flanders by Winston Groom is a pretty easy read and a pretty good book.

It’s written for an American audience who don’t know nearly as much about WW1 compared to WW2 (because the US was much more involved in WW2), and it’s also by the same guy who wrote Forrest Gump lol but I’d recommend it.

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TinyRandomLady t1_ivcjmfn wrote

Reply to comment by anon83479953 in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron

Did it cover the murder of Corporal Kunze at Camp Tonkawa in Oklahoma? He had been passing information to the US through the camp doctor, and one day the guy he’s been working with wasn’t there, and he still passed a note to a doctor. That doctor didn’t speak much German and asked another POW what it said, and that gave away the game. Later that night, he was beaten to death by multiple men. Those men were then picked up on based on the fact that they had blood on their uniform no one ever spoke about what happened, and they had a trial and were found guilty and sent to Ft. Leavenworth, and then, as soon as the war was over all of them were hung.

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