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ADROSIDI t1_ivm8asw wrote
Reply to comment by ThePatio in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Thats true, and when Rome became and Empire they also controlled majority of the Mediterranean. I was just implying that cultural transitions are not as simple as first Etruscans, then Roman. There was in depth connectivity between cultures. Even within Italy itself, there was never a uniform Roman culture. Roman culture, as with most cultures, was extremely dynamic and was constantly influenced/influencing and integrated aspects of other cultures, even ones they annexed. The Etruscans did not become Roman, rather they culture was slowly integrated into the Roman cultural identity, with many aspects of Roman culture to have originated from foreign influence.
Edit: P.S I apologise for my long winded response. I am currently researching Etruscans relationship with Rome for uni, so I am quite passionate about this topic.
bewarethetreebadger t1_ivm85iy wrote
Reply to comment by VoloNoscere in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Do we know where the Etruscans came from yet?
ThePatio t1_ivm6vtb wrote
Reply to comment by ADROSIDI in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
By the time the Rome transitioned from republic to empire, the entire Italian peninsula had been under Roman rule for some time.
aphilsphan t1_ivm5zfl wrote
Reply to comment by Goldblood4 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Many thanks. I think a few Roman coins would be very cool to have.
silverfang789 t1_ivm5e9c wrote
What a beautiful find. Hoping to see new photos of the statues after they're cleaned up.
Fatshortstack t1_ivm4k6t wrote
Reply to comment by loups in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
I though this was well known.
Goldblood4 t1_ivm47yy wrote
Reply to comment by aphilsphan in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The best site for buying ancient coins is definitely vcoins.com
It's full of different stores from the USA and Europe. Look up what kind of coin you're looking for and you should be able to find an American store that supplies it.
Denarii can vary in price depending on how detailed it is and its rarity. You can find a great denarius for a great price if you look hard enough ;)
There's a whole subreddit dedicated to this stuff too r/ancientcoins
aphilsphan t1_ivm33u5 wrote
Reply to comment by Goldblood4 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Suppose I wanted a middling quality denarius from Septimius Severus, where would I go in North America to buy one and what would it set me back? Are there a large number of fakes floating about?
cybercuzco t1_ivm0eyx wrote
Reply to comment by WoosterChops in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Corrosion comes from oxygen. If you use up all the oxygen corrosion stops. So in normal water the oxygen in the water comes from the air and as the water moves it brings fresh oxygen to the area being corroded. If you put the thing in mud or peat now the water can’t move so no fresh oxygen is being brought in.
ADROSIDI t1_ivlzvw6 wrote
Reply to comment by _PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
There was no linear transition of the Etruscans into the Roman empire. Yes, the Etruscans were around before the republic, but they did not become the Republic. The Roman Republic developed in parallel to the Etruscans, with a great deal of cultural exchange between them. It was not Etruscans, then Republic, then empire, but rather a development in tandem to each other with connectivity between them, whether that be through trade or warfare.
nerdmania t1_ivlzd17 wrote
Reply to comment by _PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
And lasted almost 500 years
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Goldblood4 t1_ivlwqb3 wrote
Reply to comment by VoloNoscere in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
As a collector of Roman coins, The coins piqued my interest
812many t1_ivlwitx wrote
Reply to comment by FateEntity in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The pertinent info from the article:
>Jacopo Tabolli, who coordinated the dig for the University for Foreigners in Siena, said the discovery was significant because it sheds new light on the end of the Etruscan civilization and the expansion of the Roman Empire in today’s central Italy between the 2nd and 1st centuries B.C.
>The period was marked by wars and conflicts across what is today’s Tuscany, Umbria and Lazio regions, and yet, the bronze statues show evidence that Etruscan and Roman families prayed together to deities in the sacred sanctuary of the thermal springs. The statues, including depictions of Apollo and Igea, the ancient Greek god and goddess of health, bear both Etruscan and Latin inscriptions.
>“While there were social and civil wars being fought outside the sanctuary ... inside the sanctuary the great elite Etruscan and Roman families prayed together in a context of peace surrounded by conflict,” Tabolli said. “This possibility to rewrite the relationship and dialectic between the Etruscan and Romans is an exceptional opportunity.”
One reason we know so much about the Romans is that they put inscriptions on everything. And wrote it in stone. Very handy for us 2000 years later. For example, gravestones often had short life stories about the person, even if they were just a small shop owner.
unassumingdink t1_ivluxp2 wrote
> Jacopo Tabolli, who coordinated the dig for the University for Foreigners
I'm gonna assume that sounds less weird in Italian.
ADROSIDI t1_ivlupq9 wrote
Reply to comment by FateEntity in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The traditional historical narrative is that the Etruscans became 'Romanised' implying their culture passively adopted Roman culture and was completely taken over by it. This discovery implies that rather then a holistic transformation into Roman culture, the Etruscans and Romans integrated their cultural identities. This allowed for elites to use votive artefacts together, such as these bronzes, even though there were heaps of war and conflict at the time.
It rewrites history as it changes our perception of relationship between the Etruscans and the Romans, suggesting a continuous Etruscan cultural identity in tandem with the Romans, rather then a complete domination as the traditional historical narrative implies.
Edit: Just to clarify, I am not denying that the Romans were in control of Italy at the time, obviously they were. I am trying to say that Roman culture was dynamic and was influenced/influencing with their interactions with other cultures, such as the Etruscans.
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Reply to comment by loups in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
I thought this was known since there are shared gods v
_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_ t1_ivlsyiq wrote
Reply to comment by VoloNoscere in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The transition from Etruscan to Roman Empire is called the Roman Republic.
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Ok_Kaleidoscope1630 t1_ivlote7 wrote
Reply to comment by L1A1 in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron
Well she probably got laid along with the stones:)
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FeDeWould-be t1_ivm8u6y wrote
Reply to comment by ADROSIDI in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Some low-paid Roman engraver who was given that job after the previous owners heads were chopped off is looking down saying little do they know