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Tiako t1_ivnk0u8 wrote
Reply to comment by TrippyReality in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
> I thought that it was history that Rome was just a small city in the periphery of the Etruscan city-state coalition
While it is a common cliche to say Rome was "just a small village" it is worth noting that is mostly Roman self mythologizing being accepted uncritically--By the late sixth/early fifth century Rome was already the great power in central Italy. As an illustrative proxy, the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus one of the largest in the entire Mediterranean, larger than any Etruscan temple.
DigitalDiogenesAus t1_ivnjekh wrote
Reply to comment by FateEntity in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
For me it's the bronzes. There aren't that many bronze statues because people melted them down. Many of the famous statues are stone copies of bronze originals-you can't melt down marble, so they are the ones that survive.
Lele_ t1_ivng2y1 wrote
Reply to comment by Deep-Mention-3875 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The Etruscans continued to exist as a people for a long long time after Roman conquest.
chopyhop t1_ivndan4 wrote
Reply to comment by wamred in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
It says more than 2000 year, not 2000 year.
Reatina t1_ivnbd0h wrote
Reply to comment by unassumingdink in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
It was born in fascist times to affirm Italian superiority over foreign cultures, educating foreign students to the italian ways.
It is well regarded, despite it's origin and weird name. It is a small university specialized in Italy in forming "italian-as-a-second language teachers" and outside Italy with courses of italian language and culture.
Reatina t1_ivnal2f wrote
Reply to comment by Fatshortstack in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
3 of the first 7 mythical Roman kings were Etruscan: Tarquinio Prisco, Servio Tullio and Tarquinio il Superbo.
It was mostly histories, but well accepted and not meaningless.
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criticalnegation t1_ivn97zw wrote
Article mentions "the ministry" but doesn't specify which...?
Micascisto t1_ivn5qd9 wrote
Reply to comment by cybercuzco in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
This is the right answer. Same basic mechanism for the fossilization of organic parts, otherwise they decay.
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beardChamp t1_ivn0e2t wrote
Reply to comment by Deep-Mention-3875 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
The article references shedding new light on a period from 2nd to 1st century BC.
Toxicseagull t1_ivmr6ki wrote
Reply to comment by unassumingdink in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
University for Barbarians* good spot.
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My3rstAccount t1_ivmlr42 wrote
Reply to comment by Deep-Mention-3875 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
I guess it depends on how long they threw stuff in the pit.
Floripa95 t1_ivmgxoe wrote
Reply to comment by unnccaassoo in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
>This is huge
It's bigger than that Chris, it's large
Ethan0pia t1_ivmfcvq wrote
Reply to comment by VoloNoscere in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
I volunteered at an Etruscan necropolis archaeological dig a few years back and found a bronze mirror dated to 300-600BCE. Was really cool.
All the pottery had finger prints around the base where they held it to dip it into the glaze. Was interesting to think about while holding the 2000+ year old pottery that had fingerprints on it.
wamred t1_ivmf9cr wrote
Reply to comment by Deep-Mention-3875 in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Good point, i wonder if that was typo or if this needs to be cross sited?
ADROSIDI t1_ivmb10t wrote
Reply to comment by TrippyReality in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Absolutely, the Etruscans were heavily involved with trade with those cultures, so they were also influenced each other. However due to a lack of Etruscan literary sources and that we do not fully understand their language, much of what we know about them is from a Greek and Roman persepctives, so it is slightly skewed. The Romans are commonly viewed as being culturally dominant in Italy, rather then being part of a large network of interaction, with the Etruscans tending to be forgotton in the cultural landscape in comparison to the Greeks and Romans. By describing the Etruscans with terms such as 'Romanisation' sort of implies that the Romans influenced the Etruscans in a one way exchange, rather then a complex cultural exchange. Part of what made the Romans so successful in their conquest of Italy was their integration of cultures, rather then complete replacement. Artefacts like the bronzes in this article demonstrate this integration of cultures, even within Roman control.
MagicCuboid t1_ivma10q wrote
Reply to comment by Fatshortstack in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
It was, Livy wrote about it 2000 years ago lol
MagicCuboid t1_ivm9vnw wrote
Reply to comment by loups in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Livy already mentions this when he describes how Romans would invite Etruscan leaders to visit Rome... I don't know, I don't think these statues revolutionize much
Goldblood4 t1_ivm9m0o wrote
Reply to comment by aphilsphan in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Look up some auctions too! You could get awesome deals on some neat coins. I got a Trajan sestertius celebrating his victory of Dacia for €70
Biddr.com is my recommended auction site.
Deep-Mention-3875 t1_ivm9jxp wrote
2000 years ago was 22AD, Roman was already an empire and was a republic for over 700-800 years. Dont the statue need to be like 2800-3000 years old for any new data on roman-Etruscan history?
TrippyReality t1_ivm92bi wrote
Reply to comment by ADROSIDI in Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
I thought that it was history that Rome was just a small city in the periphery of the Etruscan city-state coalition but the Romans just took on other cultures ideas like religion and sailing. Although, any Etruscan artifacts are hard to come by. It’s like to how they incorporate Greek, Carthiginian, Persian, and Egyptian influences.
Special_Task5520 t1_ivm8yzg wrote
Bronze statues from the ancient world are rare because they were mostly melted down. I believe the majority of surviving ancient bronzes come from shipwrecks for that reason.
rickster907 t1_ivnoy5m wrote
Reply to Discovery of bronzes rewrites Italy’s Etruscan-Roman history by VoloNoscere
Exactly zero explanation as to HOW exactly this find will change any history at all. Great find. No idea of its significance. Bad article.