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MeatballDom OP t1_ix6ypnw wrote

You misunderstood him. He's saying he's not out to disprove Hancock because Hancock hasn't proved anything, you can't disprove evidence which isn't there. E.g. prove to me that unicorns never existed.

Instead, what he's done is gone through and discussed what's wrong with the logic that Hancock is using to come to his conclusions. i.e. here's what science have found, and none of it points to unicorns. When you thought A, you were forgetting B. When you said C, you were ignoring D.

It's a rational way to approach an irrational argument.

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imperialus81 t1_ix6yby1 wrote

Realistically it's all pretty low. Would they need more water? For sure. But 1.5L would likely keep them alive, especially if they were campaigning during the cooler, non growing seasons which is the only way you'd ever get your numbers to even approach 100 or 300 thousand as you would be relying on your farmers as the bulk of those troops.

The bar I set is not 'well fed'. 2500 calories is what I would consider to be survival level given the physical expectations of an army on the march and in battle. For reference, a modern American 24 hour pack of MRE's contains between 3500 and 4000 calories. Likewise, water I estimated at a low end, since it is quite likely that an army on the move would almost certainly follow a river, where they could access flowing water that could be used for cooking and even be somewhat 'purified' for drinking through the addition of alcohol or vinegar.

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senorhung1 t1_ix6y2l8 wrote

How is this a takedown? He says at the beginning that he is not debunking hancock, And that its up to hancock to prove his ideas.... ok just like everything else in history is fact? Please, thats like starting on the other side of every arguement. Unless whats history is fact(somehow)..then what tf am i proving?

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vzierdfiant t1_ix6wuae wrote

Great points. Also, I think 30,000L is way too low. They are soldiers in Syria. Easily 4 liters per person per day. Moving 80,000L of water per day in animal hide skins using horses and people is a crazy logistical feat over any distance more than a couple miles. They didn't have water containers on wheels, right?

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vzierdfiant t1_ix6wi5c wrote

You realize that the logistics and technology to feed and coordinate that many people didn't exist until modern times, right? 300K men means 2.1 Million gallons of water and 4.2 million pounds of food per week. You realize this is an insane amount of material to produce, store, and ship solely with man and horsepower, right?

Just doing napkin math: A Typical horse can walk 50 miles a day and carry 300 lbs. Assuming the military campaign is only 25 miles away from the city that has 10's of millions of pounds of food stored for war, you would need 5714 horses working 24/7 just to move the food and water to the soldiers. For every 25 miles farther, you need 5714 more horses. Also, these horses need food+water, gear and weapons need to be moved. So if you wanted to wage a war 100 miles away from your city, you needed more transport horses than all of the legions of the roman empire at peak power (22k or so cavalry).

Just crazy to think about, and then add that you need to feed these horses, and that you need to feed the cavalry horses as well. Don't know how much a horse eats, but i imagine its a lot.

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Rocketlucco t1_ix6w1b5 wrote

As someone who loves ancient history and is slowing making my way through textbook level books on all the ancient Levant civs, your links to your other comments were amazing reads. I’d don’t even realize we knew that much about the Hittites. If I want to get the best overview I can on their civilization, Can you recommend 1-2 books to read about them?

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Why_Did_Bodie_Die t1_ix6w0pa wrote

It's the same thing in UFO circles. They think different scientists just simply refuse to admit there are UFOs because it would hurt their egos and prove them wrong and "completely destroy their worldview". Neil degrasse tyson is a big one. They think NDT has to much vested interest in NOT thinking UFOs are real that he won't admit the evidence shows that they are. They completely skip over the fact that all the evidence they have is circumstantial and there actually really isn't any hard evidence and just assume it's because NDT lacks whatever enlightened reasoning they have. I would bet a years worth of salary that NDT would LOVE for UFOs to be real. He would be one of the first people in the world to write a book and do a TV show about them plus whatever personal interests he might have in intelligent beings figuring out how to travel many light years across the galaxy to come fuck with us.

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