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AnthonyTyrael t1_ixe8gke wrote

The difference here is between body and soul. As far as I'm understanding it. Preserving body meant to transfer both into afterlife, body intact and soul too. The new thesis is, it was just meant to preserve the soul, the body isn't needed in afterlife. That's a big difference in belief and religion.

Pre-Astronautics will be happy to hear about it.

What doesn't make sense to me here is, why take all the organs out if the body doesn't matter, just the spirit?

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MadRoboticist t1_ixe6akx wrote

I'd like to see what some other egyptologists have to say about this. This seems like a pretty wild claim to make seemingly without any new information. Also, this doesn't seem consistent with certain other things. Like embalmers eventually learning to remove the organs for better preservation of the bodies. And later dynasties adjusting their processes for better preservation after discovering mummies of plundered pharaohs' tombs.

Additionally, since pharaohs were the incarnation of the god Horus on earth, guiding the deceased to divinity doesn't really ring true.

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black_brook t1_ixe4cp6 wrote

Pre-scientific cultures did not distinguish between the symbolic / metaphorical and practical / physical the way we do. To say the reason wasn't this practical thing but instead was this symbolic thing is a modern failure to understand that. One doesn't preclude the other and even treating them as separable is questionable.

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talossiannights t1_ixdzqkk wrote

I think the headline and article might have been worded in misleading ways. Yes, the purpose of mummification was to prepare the deceased body for the afterlife, but there are specifics of Egyptian theology, which I will not delve into because I am not an Egyptologist, that required the body to be preserved. Mummification took 70 days and highly specialized knowledge to perform properly. Other cultures have developed less time- and labor-intensive ways of “preparing the deceased for the afterlife” and Egyptian embalmers wouldn’t have done all this work for no reason.

Edit to add: it’s probably fair to say that preparing the deceased for the afterlife was the end goal, not preservation for its own sake. But it was still significant for the deceased person’s remains to be recognizable.

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relefos t1_ixdyuzc wrote

I think it isn't a 180 simply because we were all taught about how basically every other part of the ritual, their tombs, etc. revolved around making their afterlife experience easier / better in some way shape or form

So learning that they may have mummified the bodies for the sake of that person's afterlife, with preservation being a byproduct, isn't really a huge revelation. It's neat and definitely different than what we all thought, but it's more like a 90, not a 180, if that makes sense

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thomisnotmydad t1_ixdwef0 wrote

Is this actually new information? I had a picture book about mummies as a kid that detailed all the weird ceremonial bullshit that was part of the process and how keeping the organs in jars instead of throwing them out was so the deceased could still use them in the afterlife because that was somehow part of the process of getting to heaven.

If kids are being taught that it’s all about preservation these days, that’s a damn shame. They’re missing out on all the cool stuff.

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