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tsaimaitreya t1_ixhpssr wrote

You aren't technically wrong but these claims are made out of regional pride. Many regions have claims to be the authentic homeland of Columbus, like Galicia, Catalonia or Mallorca. Bona fide spanish nationalists have no problem with him being italian at all, as he was still serving Spain. Italians doing great service to the spanish crown was a common sight these days (Andrea Doria, Spinola, Farnesio, the marquis of Pescara...)

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Pyranze t1_ixhnt7j wrote

What else would it be used for? There are plenty of indications it was at least meant to be a tomb, even if it ended up not housing any bodies, so what is there to counter this? You literally cannot progress the field of history, or indeed most fields, if you require 100% certainty on everything, because we just don't have that, especially for something as far back as the pyramids of Giza. So unless you have an actual alternative theory of what the Giza pyramids were for we have to work on the most likely assumption, that they're tombs.

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MadRoboticist t1_ixhnn2x wrote

Mummies have been found in dozens of pyramids. They are mostly destroyed or partial due to damage during looting. Pyramids are basically giant "Rob me" signs, so it's really not weird that they were almost all looted. There are plenty of Egyptian records noting the pyramids and other tombs had been looted. It was not only pharaohs that built pyramids, other nobles and officials had pyramids and mastabas built as well. It's not like egyptologists just decided that pyramids were tombs one day and that was the end of it. There has been well over a century of research that supports that conclusion.

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Plop-Music t1_ixhn0vk wrote

That was the joke, at the time, yes, back in 2005 or whenever it was exactly. At least that eventually became the joke, even if it wasn't initially. But it was just a way to make fun of the dumb name for the console when it was announced. Here's the know your meme page about it

Although yeah because of this, someone did make this animated gif of Michael Jackson walking up to an xbox 360, spinning 360 degrees, and then moonwalking away, so that the joke still fits.

Hope this is still animated as I upload it but if not you might have to Google "xbox 360 Michael Jackson gif"

Here's the gif

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spideracrossastar t1_ixhmieg wrote

If somehow the wild theory that states that Columbus and Pedro Madruga were in fact the same person is proven true I'm gonna be laughing until the end of time

Tbh most Galicians ( including myself ) have no interest in claiming Columbus historical heritage as ours

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Plop-Music t1_ixhm4fs wrote

It's not weird in the slightest. Mummified bodies in Egypt and elsewhere have been stolen out of their tombs for millenia. Because people would pay a lot of money for them. That's what's believed to have happened here. The British weren't the first people to do that, it predates the existence of the UK. But some of the sarcophagi that were left behind were too big to steal, they couldn't get them out of the pyramids. Which indicates that they were there first, long before the roof was finished, which seems to point to the fact they were important and necessary to be inside the pyramid, maybe the main reason for the pyramid's existence in the first place.

The reason there were little to no hieroglyphs on the walls is because that's a practice that didn't start until the next age centuries later.

But as others have said, the pyramid's of giza are basically a big graveyard, there's tons and tons and tons of tombs and mastabas surrounding them, which were used to bury people. And those weren't the tombs of lowly workers who died making it, you had a to have a good deal of money at the time to have one, especially on a site that was so important.

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SandSlinky t1_ixhjs36 wrote

From what I can find, it wasn't unusual for pyramids in this time period to lack inscriptions, that mostly started later. The great pyramid also contains what very much looks like and is commonly agreed to be a sarcophagus.

As for other empty rooms, they might have been recently found by us, but could have been found before and resealed over this period of several thousand years. Or it's possible that they were initially made and then never used, I don't think this is uncommon in ancient tombs. It is also theorized that some of these rooms were meant to throw of robbers or were used during construction.

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marketrent OP t1_ixhisnu wrote

Excerpt:

>The study was inspired by the Gough Map, the earliest surviving map of Great Britain, perhaps with its origins in the thirteenth century, which is held in the University of Oxford’s Bodleian Library.

>The map depicts two islands in Cardigan Bay in west Wales, which no longer exist. Each of them is depicted about one quarter of the size of the island of Anglesey in north Wales. One is between Aberystwyth and Aberdovey and the other between there and Barmouth to the north.

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>The research was undertaken by Simon Haslett, Honorary Professor of Physical Geography at Swansea University and David Willis, Jesus Professor of Celtic at the University of Oxford.

>Their study investigates historical sources and geological evidence from the coastline and the seabed.

>It proposes a model for how the coast has evolved since the last ice age around 10,000 years ago, which provides a possible explanation for the ‘lost’ islands.

>They suggest that the islands could be the remnants of a low-lying landscape underlain by soft glacial deposits laid down during the last ice age. Since then, forces of erosion have worn away the land, reducing it to islands, before these too were worn away and disappearing by the sixteenth century.

^Haslett, ^S. ^K., ^& ^Willis, ^D. ^(2022). ^The ^‘lost’ ^islands ^of ^Cardigan ^Bay, ^Wales, ^UK: ^insights ^into ^the ^post-glacial ^evolution ^of ^some ^Celtic ^coasts ^of ^northwest ^Europe. ^Atlantic ^Geoscience, ^58, ^131–146. ^https://doi.org/10.4138/atlgeo.2022.005

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Pleasant_Skill2956 t1_ixhi22n wrote

In Italy there is all the evidence, only for the Spaniards "strangely" it is doubted. And it is in fact much more probable that it is the Spaniards who invent stories given that he is the most important person in Spanish history and therefore they do not accept that he was born in Italy

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Sikog t1_ixhhirm wrote

A theory is in itself a guess of the unknown, there are also plenty of evidence that also challenge the current narrative.

I know about the textual records and they sure are interesting, however let's stick to facts and those are that we don't know the exact date of the great pryamid of Giza for now we can only estimate.

The great thing about history is that for all we know we might discover another technology next week that might pinpoint even more exact then carbon dating, it explains everything about the pyramids challenging everything we are believed to know.

In the end, it's all about beliefs and I believe the chronology are very much up to debate now and in the future, not choosing to debate history is just sad overall in my opinion nobody wins on that.

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BlindBanshee t1_ixhh0w4 wrote

I'm not mad, if you've got other mummies to show please share. I don't think I ever said that the tomb theory wasn't plausible, I just find it interesting that there aren't mummies being discovered in pyramids. Or at least, that's the rumor.

You've informed me of this queen that was discovered and I have no reason to doubt the validity, I've heard of her and her being discovered in the pyramid.

I'll just state again like I did in the beginning, if it's so obvious that ALL of the pyramids are tombs then why are we finding so few bodies? I'm skeptical that every single one was just looted. And there are a lot of pyramids that have nothing to do with the Egyptian pharaohs, are they all tombs too? Every single one? As far as what else they could be I don't know, but I'm curious.

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Jesus_Tyrone t1_ixhgng3 wrote

If you actually got deep into that information you would find out that there is no reliable evidence that he was born in Genoa. The thesis was overshadow buy the patriotic Italian sentiment during the unification of the country.

They say he was born in a regular poor family but he knew multiple languages and had a lot of influence himself before the voyages. There is no record of an address either.

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MadRoboticist t1_ixhgh8o wrote

The Giza pyramids are not the beginning of pyramid history. The evolution of pyramid building is directly traceable from mastabas, to stacked mastabas, to the first attempt at pyramids, to the great pyramids, to the later pyramids. All of which were used as tombs. It doesn't make any sense that the Giza pyramids, which are smack dab in the middle of that history, would have a different purpose. The fact that mummies haven't been found in the Giza pyramids is just something conspiracy theorists use a jumping off point for wild theories that they had some other mysterious use. All archaeological evidence points to them being tombs.

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