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tagyhag t1_iy26jtf wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
What the Japanese did was horrid but that doesn't mean they have plans to invade China all over again.
Between the two countries, only one is planning to openly invade another country.
-heathcliffe- t1_iy26ivz wrote
Reply to comment by chronoboy1985 in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
Shit we were even building ships in the great lakes, unless Canada joins the axis, there is zero chance in shutting down America’s ww2 shipyards.
Augustus923 t1_iy26ejt wrote
Reply to On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
The problem was Japan wanted the U.S. to keep supplying Japan with oil and other materials but the Japanese were not willing to change their conduct. In a negotiation both sides must be willing to give on certain points.
raziel1012 t1_iy26cvp wrote
Reply to comment by TotallyInOverMyHead in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
Nagumo's decision to only stick to two waves wasn't unfounded. His losses, comparing the second wave to first wave, mounted significantly as US' air defenses were coming on line.
-heathcliffe- t1_iy265xu wrote
Reply to comment by SolomonBlack in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
They had no intention to take Hawaii, the attack on pearl harbor was an extreme strain on their resources, an invasion was literally impossible.
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raziel1012 t1_iy25uti wrote
Reply to comment by Every-Citron1998 in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
On the other hand, US had already told Japan to leave Manchuria.
raziel1012 t1_iy25nr2 wrote
Reply to comment by TheMormonJosipTito in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
Their initial strategy was exactly to buy those months and then heavily fortify the islands and have a strong defensive area set up by the time US had built up its navy again. (Aka what you said: make it less worth it for US) They surely would be outgunned in the longer term, but they were hoping to make the mid term gain strong and force US to the negotiating table. Would it have worked? Who knows.
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-heathcliffe- t1_iy25l2i wrote
Reply to comment by ATNinja in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
Regardless Churchill was not at the helm of a totalitarian state, so his decisions were by no means absolute, military or civilian.
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Doberman7290 t1_iy226m1 wrote
Reply to comment by Coloradostoneman in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
But a war was avoidable - the Reich was furious. They knew it was bad news
[deleted] t1_iy222qd wrote
Doberman7290 t1_iy221pq wrote
Reply to comment by Coloradostoneman in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
It was Truman that really forced their hand. Buck stops here
Doberman7290 t1_iy21zwb wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
That’s not true at all.
[deleted] t1_iy21ysf wrote
Doberman7290 t1_iy21nu3 wrote
Reply to comment by TotallyInOverMyHead in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
It would have never worked. You know it , I Know it , the world knows it.
Your four bullet points are funny - none could have been accomplished.
When the Japanese Navy stood toe to toe with the USA they went to the bottom.
That is history.
[deleted] t1_iy21je2 wrote
chronoboy1985 t1_iy206fo wrote
Reply to comment by Raspberries2 in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
Not true at all. Read your history.
chronoboy1985 t1_iy1zzbi wrote
Reply to comment by SolomonBlack in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
They would’ve had to constantly bomb every naval construction yard, dry dock and plane factory in the country to keep them from spitting out planes and ships, which would’ve been suicidal given the insane speed the US was pumping out war planes alone.
chronoboy1985 t1_iy1zjq1 wrote
Reply to comment by TotallyInOverMyHead in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
It wouldn’t have worked no matter what they did unless they could cripple American industrial capacity, which would’ve required a very misguided invasion attempt. Their entire rationale was gambling that Americans wouldn’t have the stomach for a long war and would sue for peace once they lost the upper hand. Even had they decimated Hawaii, it would’ve just been a setback. Japan simply spread itself far too thin.
Peaurxnanski t1_iy1wntt wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
The terms of lifting the embargo explicitly called for Japan to stop genociding China. That's what it said, and it's what I said.
Ascribing a motive to that is certainly your right, but I'd be interested to see how "stop genociding China" ties into US interest in the Philippines. Since you ascribed the motive, I'd be interested to see how you think it ties in.
[deleted] t1_iy26yw3 wrote
Reply to comment by daveashaw in On April 2, 1941, a Japanese foreign minister asked Pope Pius XII to speak to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt, so as to avert "a war of mutual destruction” by marketrent
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