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HDH2506 OP t1_irx1xdp wrote
Reply to comment by socialcommentary2000 in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
This is fictional but: in a game they use plated to armor only the corners of important towers, which are polygonal - have weakness at corners?
I suppose a defender might do that and recycle the metal after reinforcements defeat the attacker
HDH2506 OP t1_irx1kem wrote
Reply to comment by madpiratebippy in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
Ofc, I was wondering if there were some extremely rare case
Maybe after they’re relieved, all the metal were recycled into tools and weapons, for example
HDH2506 OP t1_irx1e2z wrote
Reply to comment by Bear4224 in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
Isn’t lead very heavy and easily melted?
HDH2506 OP t1_irx16ek wrote
Reply to comment by 5tatic55 in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
Exactly like LOTR. My brother played Shadow of War and there’s metal clad walls.
I thought: “This is the second reference to this method, why haven’t I seen it in fictions, ever? Maybe it’s actually an extremely rare historical thing?”
HDH2506 OP t1_irx0ksh wrote
Reply to comment by YourOverlords in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
Like a rod that goes through the walls to hold bricks or walls together?
HDH2506 OP t1_irx0fn6 wrote
Reply to comment by Lemmonjello in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
Not just in India, also in many countries AND in Game of Throne where they put dragon glass on walls to hold back the undead
HDH2506 OP t1_irx095d wrote
Reply to comment by Onetap1 in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
If a metal pot was a status symbol, what would a 10 ton cauldron be?
throwingthings05 t1_irwuode wrote
Reply to Bookclub Wednesday! by AutoModerator
Looking for a book like Tony Judts Postwar, but about the US
I’ve read the perlstein quadrilogy, but I’m looking for something either 1945-1965 or present, or a little earlier to around 1965, but just mostly focused on domestic history.
charles222A t1_irwi1bl wrote
Reply to comment by heinekenchugger in American Serial Killers and the Vietnam War: A Table of Draft Dodgers and Military Service by [deleted]
The egotism and self-importance would counter than I'd say. I'd bet a lot of potential serial killers fall into that "If a DS yelled at me I'd punch him" boat.
The killing isn't the point per se, its about having power over another person.
[deleted] OP t1_irw4uue wrote
Reply to comment by Xi_Highping in American Serial Killers and the Vietnam War: A Table of Draft Dodgers and Military Service by [deleted]
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Tableau t1_irw2eav wrote
Reply to comment by SolomonBlack in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
I guess so, it’s just that references to guns in that time span are so rare while references to armour are so ubiquitous. Like we have mountains of references to armour from that time period, and several for guns.
Vessarionovich t1_irvy4pi wrote
Reply to comment by Anglicanpolitics123 in Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
Here is a different take on Che Guevara....no less biased than your own.
https://historycollection.com/nobodys-hero-9-inconvenient-truths-che-guevara/6/
Xi_Highping t1_irvvf1j wrote
Reply to comment by heinekenchugger in American Serial Killers and the Vietnam War: A Table of Draft Dodgers and Military Service by [deleted]
The type of personality that serial killers have is not exactly conductive to discipline and good order; most serial killers who served either had extremely mundane service in times of peace or in non-combat roles, or they had their service cut short because of psychiatric or disciplinary issues.
Besides, there's a difference between killing unarmed people who either can't defend themselves or can be overpowered, and killing armed men in the middle of a firefight. These guys are cowards, they don't want to actually risk life and limb to kill.
Xi_Highping t1_irvv5ta wrote
Reply to American Serial Killers and the Vietnam War: A Table of Draft Dodgers and Military Service by [deleted]
Shawcross wasn't an infantryman, he was a supply clerk - boasts aside, he never saw combat.
Brad_Wesley t1_irvs86u wrote
Reply to comment by Anglicanpolitics123 in Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
> Still not good.
The 55 executed were police and military who tortured and killed other Cubans. They had it coming. For some reason nobody mentions the vastly more than 55 people the Batista people executed.
socialcommentary2000 t1_irvhzb2 wrote
Armoring up a castle that could withstand artillery of the time period would require the mass production of iron plate. The problem with this, beyond the obvious, would be there's no way to roll it effectively until the first legitimate rolling mills that could work iron came about in the 1600s...and even then it only really took off in the 1700s when James Watt came up with the steam engine.
Short answer : Fabricating iron plate at scale was unobtainable until later.
kasetti t1_irvhbec wrote
Reply to comment by heinekenchugger in American Serial Killers and the Vietnam War: A Table of Draft Dodgers and Military Service by [deleted]
A lot of killers seem to kill for a sexual reason, which is hard to satisfy during a battle or something with bullets going around and your fellow soldiers watching you.
Anglicanpolitics123 OP t1_irvc1eg wrote
Reply to comment by Vessarionovich in Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
So lets just address this particular claim.
(i)It is true that the Cuban revolution did preside over political trials and executions.
(ii)You're presenting a misleading picture of Che Guevara's role in the trials of the Cuban revolution. Che did preside over some of them but he didn't execute thousands of political prisoners. Research done by official biographies like the one Jon Lee Anderson did in 1997 show he presided over 55 executions. Still not good. But no where near "thousands.
(iii)Distinctions need to be made between Fidel and Raul Castro's roles in the trials of the Cuban Revolution and Che Guevara's. Because Fidel and Raul Castro(especially the latter) where more prone to summary executions. In the case of Che Guevara it was actually the opposite. Che Guevara actually made sure that there was at least due process in the trials he presided over and even barred those with an ideological bias from presiding over the tribunals. He also acquitted several who were put on trial.
(iv)The context of the trials of the Cuban Revolution is important. The came after the overthrow of the Batista regime. Batista's regime was responsible for the murder of up to 20,000 Cubans and committed both crimes against humanity as well as war crimes during the revolutionary war such as the indiscriminate use of napalm and chemical weapons. When Castro came to power he implemented nation wide a policy called "The Law of the Sierra" which established capital punishment for those guilty of war crimes during the Batista era. It was essentially like what the Allies did in the Nuremberg trials after defeating the Nazis and what happened in the Tokyo trials after WWII.
(v)Fidel Castro and the Cuban revolutionaries also presided over those trials because of intense pressure from public opinion. During the revolution Castro had promised to the Cuban public accountability for those guilty of war crimes during the Batista government. Which sets the context for the trials he instituted. These trials of course produced condemnation in America. Now according to research done in the Book "A Century of Revolution: Insurgent and Counter Insurgent Violence in Latin America's Long Cold War" Castro as a gesture to try and maintain good relations with the U.S actually sought to suspend the trials. This produced a negative reaction among sectors of the Cuban public, particularly families of the victims of the Batista regime who carried pictures of both their dead relatives as well as the officials responsible for their deaths. Many even organised protests over that issue. So the injustice for them was letting those people go.
But to your general point about the developing world having different priorities.....there is actually truth to that and Nelson Mandela himself actually said this in an interview he did on American new networks in 1990. He was questioned about his close relationship with Fidel Castro given his struggle for human rights against apartheid. And he said quite bluntly that we are fighting a struggle against one of the worst racial tyrannies and have no time to spend on the internal affairs of Cuba. The fact of the matter is from the Third World's perspective what they saw is this. The U.S and Western governments backing apartheid and many colonial systems. Cuba fighting against apartheid and the colonial systems dominating them. Regardless of Castro's authoritarianism who are they gonna have a higher regard for?
Vessarionovich t1_irv86ht wrote
Reply to Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
(v) The Cuban revolution executed thousands of political prisoners after summary trials often lasting just minutes. Che Guevara presided over these trials.
Either the developing world was unaware of these monstrous injustices.....or their values and ethics reflected other priorities.
palomet t1_irv58ln wrote
Reply to comment by Arganthonios_Silver in Flavia Sabora: Lost Roman town is rediscovered under a crop field in Spain by marketrent
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>Monte Testaccio, created with millions amphorae
these brought oil and wine, then broken in pieces that were carefully compacted to minimize space, there were slaves for that
Eminence_grizzly t1_iruuosn wrote
Reply to comment by Anglicanpolitics123 in Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
It was extremely popular in the Soviet Union (for obvious reasons), and the developing world was under constant influence from it.
Anglicanpolitics123 OP t1_iruqusy wrote
Reply to comment by Eminence_grizzly in Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
You kinda missed the boat with this response. I was explaining why the Cuban Revolution was extremely popular in the developing world and what historical events were taking place in the 50s and 60s that increased its popularity.
Eminence_grizzly t1_iruqc8e wrote
Reply to Historical factors in the 1950s and 60s that made the Cuban revolution and its leaders(Castro and Che) popular in the developing world that I think should be appreciated more. by Anglicanpolitics123
No, dictators should not be praised for overthrowing their rivals.
SolomonBlack t1_irup8ft wrote
Reply to comment by Tableau in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
You hardly need massed lines of matchlock infantry to start taking precautions against all the new hotness that's been flying around the post-Crusades battlefields. Also consider that we're still in a period of history where having records at all suggests they were not all that rare. Or that this race for the beginning is a bit besides the point for technologies that would go on to exist and therefore continue developing side by side for another few centuries.
Also that this is all getting a far from the actual point since none of this leave much of a medieval castle period or getting anywhere near enough good metal production to start armoring a curtain wall.
HDH2506 OP t1_irx212c wrote
Reply to comment by SolomonBlack in Has metal ever been used in ancient/medieval fortifications or any equivalent by HDH2506
I mean…dirt and debris is much better anyway