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zanillamilla t1_iylpc79 wrote
This is the second time today I read an article about the island of Lemnos. The first was about how the enigmatic language there was related to Etruscan and an ancient language in the Alps.
Deirdre_Rose t1_iyll0do wrote
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The Trojan War never happened, but a city that 8th cent Greeks called Troy exists. So yes we know the location of Troy, but the city postdates the story.
SquishedGremlin t1_iylkcdy wrote
Where is Ur when it's at home?
I have only heard of it referenced in 40k, and assumed it was made up.
SquishedGremlin t1_iylkacb wrote
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Holy shit that is so cool.
Brb, I have a sedimentary river and 30 sheep.
ThrowRA2020NYEhell t1_iylju4j wrote
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There was a pollen grain analysis study published a few years back that indicated a broad regional climatic shift, drought, and subsequent widespread famine resulted in mass migration. There are also cuneiform tablet correspondences between Near Eastern empires and Egypt in that time period attesting grain shortages and general civil unrest. So it's less likely that it was a disruption in tin trade directly that ended the LBA and more a breakdown and collapse of trade networks when hungry, angry people abandoned cities and went looking for "greener pastures".
This is a very general summary and it's actual way more complex than just sea people are climate refuges but I'd happy to talk more in-depth.
akodo1 t1_iylggl0 wrote
During the stone age, amber from the baltic sea ended up in Egypt, and the trade continued well into the bronze age.
stuff moved LONG distances. Probably took dozens possibly hundreds of years passing through 100s or 1000s of merchants, but objects moved, even in the earliest of times
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delnoob t1_iyl7izb wrote
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I'm so scared of them, but I can never remember their exact username. I just know it when I see it
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AugustSprite t1_iyl2qj4 wrote
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I have similar suspicions. I've thought about how a small number of elites with bronze weapons and armour could control the masses. I can also imagine them suppressing iron technology. However, once one empire lost control, iron weapons and tools dispersed quickly, insurrections happened, and the whole house of bronze collapsed.
retardsmart t1_iyl0dpe wrote
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Pretty good. Are you familiar with the term "Golden Fleece"? They would stake down green(raw) sheepskins in creek and river beds. The fleece would act like modern miners moss and the natural oils would hang onto the gold particles. At the appropriate time they would chuck the sheepskins into a fire and the gold would be dug out of the ashes.
Gsquat t1_iyl0d2d wrote
It's from Ophir, the land of creation, which we now call the Philippines.
gregorydgraham t1_iykzvkf wrote
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That’ll be from Shortugai, tin was/is very rare and the Mediterranean had very few sources of it: small amounts from Sardinia, (modern) Galicia, and Cornwall
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ableseacat14 t1_iykyyug wrote
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Isn't there like 10 different cities built up on each other?
AgrajagTheProlonged t1_iykyqhg wrote
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And even if the traders themselves didn’t travel the whole distance, there’s nothing stopping the traders from selling the goods to another traders who travel and sell the goods to another trader, etcetera ad infinitum
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_bieber_hole_69 t1_iykxte2 wrote
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Makes me wish that he had lived 30 years later when archeology had advanced far enough for him to know NOT to blow up sites. Still makes me sad
Hippiebigbuckle t1_iykxi75 wrote
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Been a while since I’ve seen him. What was his username?
ZeeperCreeperPow t1_iykwtmx wrote
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Lol that guy gets me all the time. A true master of his craft
Chance-Ad-9103 t1_iykvq20 wrote
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It was the tidal wave that wiped out Crete. The Minoans were the copper plug from their incredibly pure mines in Michigan. No copper no need for tin.
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