Recent comments in /f/history

bangdazap t1_iyw5r4l wrote

Following the fall of (Western) Rome, the economy cratered and the money that went into maintaining the academies where copies of written works were made disappeared. Books do not last forever, and in those days they had to be copied by hand, an expensive and time-consuming enterprise. The people who were literate in those days were Christian scholars who didn't have much interest in preserving historical and scientific tracts.

1

Drops-of-Q t1_iyvy4nn wrote

That is the sort of question any decent historian or archeologist ponder.

But I'll also say that it is more in popular science that Egypt is the greatest civilization of all time. That goes back to when the ancient Egyptian culture was rediscovered. It was the first to be studied scholarly to any degree which is why Egyptology was an entire field of study, but not Indus-Valley-Civilizationology

425

Choppergold t1_iyvr0l8 wrote

The end of the Hellenistic age and the beginning of the Roman. Cleopatra was not only Egyptian but descended from the Ptolemy who served Alexander the Great himself. Gets forgotten, that Macedonian Greek heritage in Egypt from 300 BC to when Cleopatra killed herself

109

Haffrung t1_iyvpa0h wrote

History was what we consider Classics today: Herodotus, Homer, Thucydides, Livy, Plutarch. Up until well into the 20th century, the works of Plutarch were probably the most read history in the West. They're essentially mini-bios of famous leaders and generals of antiquity, with an emphasis on their moral character.

These bios were instructive to Western elites, who were encouraged to champion the values demonstrated by Plutarch's nobler subjects - courage, loyalty, civic-mindedness. If you were an educated man in the 19th and early 20th century, you were expected to be able to talk about Pericles, Alcibiades, Caesar, etc.

2

acm2033 t1_iyvowy9 wrote

Instead of being a Roman settlement, Egypt was largely left alone for a while under the Ptolymies. They already had agriculture (which was very different than the rest of the Roman world), language, a system of government, and economy that worked. No need for the Romans to come in and establish things that were already there.

That changed after Cleopatra backed Mark Antony in the civil war, and lost. Octavian made Egypt a province to be governed through Rome, rather than an independent state.

The whole blog is about a 30 min read, well worth the time.

253

Daripuff t1_iyvmqv1 wrote

Point number 1 is very interesting.

Egypt is the only place in the Roman Empire with a "full" urban infrastructure (with a large and culturally complex population centers) "in" the fully arid desert (the only greenery was provided by irrigation, both natural (annual floods) or artificial), which allowed commoner's trash to be preserved for archeologists in a way that couldn't manage elsewhere. Thus we got insights into the day to day life of a commoner in Roman Egypt in a way that we have never gotten anywhere else in the empire.

948