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uqde t1_iyz1zpo wrote

Reply to comment by Hammer_of_Light in Meet a medieval woman named 'Tora' who lived 800 years ago in Norway by patatesogan

AFAIK this statistic is often misrepresented; the average life expectancy was lower, but largely due to infant and child mortality. Once you made it past 12 or so, you could reasonably expect to live a similar length of time as people in the modern era.

However, your point is still valid in a way. Life back then was physically harder and the state of healthcare was obviously nowhere near what it is now. People likely showed their age much more quickly than people today.

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ThatBitchNiP t1_iyz1ugj wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

This interactive map is excellent for getting to the specific tribes of areas, https://native-land.ca/.

When you search for Yellowstone it names and hyperlinks to their info pages of the 4 tribes which sites resources and links to the tribes websites, if there is one. I know for where I live, the local tribal websites are a trove of amazing information of their history as a tribe and anout the land itself.

The 4 tribes linked:

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skyblueandblack t1_iyz1led wrote

Reply to What was history class like before the modern era? by SunsetShoreline

Just to add to what others have said...

In some societies, even today, a people's history is primarily an oral history. But in terms of a formal education of some kind, whether we're talking about ancient Rome or ancient China, history would have certainly been studied -- that is, if you're leading an army, it helps to know some military history. Not just the heroic tales, but tactics and strategy.

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kdaviper t1_iyyz4or wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Idk but I read a book of Ute stories and I gotta say the one about why dogs sniff each other's butts really spoke to me

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xanthidium t1_iyyz3bb wrote

Reply to comment by carlitobradlin in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Empire of the Summer Moon, while a good secondary source in that it compiles many other sources, is a very problematic book and not a reliable source for the Indigenous point of view on any aspect of American history.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianCountry/comments/wfqce0/empire_of_the_summer_moon/

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/boneheaded-errors-ruin-nyt-bestseller-about-comanche-leader

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hypnos_surf t1_iyyvqps wrote

Reply to comment by Trackmaster15 in Why Roman Egypt was such a strange province by oni64

Egyptian history spans thousands of years and is now a modern country.

It stood the test of time evolving along the way but has always been known for its history even since the ancient Greeks. The ancient Romans visited the ruins of Egypt similar to people today visiting ruins in Rome.

The fact it stood so long as a population center throughout history allowed it to keep its historical reputation than say Babylon or Mesopotamia.

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mglyptostroboides t1_iyyszwd wrote

Reply to comment by acm2033 in Why Roman Egypt was such a strange province by oni64

>They already had agriculture (which was very different than the rest of the Roman world), language, a system of government, and economy that worked.

I'm sorry, but I'm confused by this. Could you clarify what you mean? I'm fairly certain that many of the other places the Romans conquered already practiced farming before the Romans conquered them. And what do you mean by "language" here? Surely you mean written language, right? Because people have been speaking for tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands!) of years.

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Westvoice t1_iyysclx wrote

Reply to comment by Trackmaster15 in Why Roman Egypt was such a strange province by oni64

One of the worst things an archeologist knows is that more is lost than is saved everywhere, always.

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As an example, there is a civilization in the South East Arabian peninsula during the Iron age. They leave basically no traces. We don't have them in the bronze age, in the copper age, in the stone age, and suddenly in the Iron age they work iron, except there is no iron locally. The Mesopotamian cultures talk about taxing them for their use of the rivers, and then they talk about them domesticating camels so they don't use the rivers. There is no clear hierarchy, they never become an empire, but all the empires around them talk about them being there. They left a few shards of writing, they left a string of villages along a wadi.

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There is a thousand years of prehistory there. 1000 summers and winters uninterrupted in this wadi, generations of people lived and died and we have 10 of their villages and 2 shards of their writing. We don't know their kings, or their gods, their food or their families, we don't even know what they called themselves. But for a thousand years they were there, and we only know for certain that we don't know anything.

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Lumi61210 t1_iyyrjcf wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

May I recommend the McCracken Research Library at the Buffalo Bill Center of the West for anything related to Yellowstone. Worth an in person visit if you're really interested in these topics. https://centerofthewest.org/research/mccracken-research-library/

I grew up in the town directly east of the park and the museum there is Smithsonian grade.

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KittyScholar t1_iyyn1gc wrote

Reply to comment by mullaloo in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

I LOVE 1491! I will also second a recommendation to it.

It's about pre-contact history. It does make a few references to Yellowstone specifically and the Great Plains in general. However, it discusses all of the Americas. I still recommend it tho!

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mullaloo t1_iyylqlf wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

There is a book called 1491, which discusses the Americas pre-Columbus. It started with what is now modern day Mexico, and unfortunately I had to return it to the library before getting much farther in. But I bet that the later chapters would cover the American West which would include that area. At least for the creation myths portion of your question.

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Emotional-Fig5507 t1_iyygehy wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Here is an article from the Smithsonian https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lost-history-yellowstone-180976518/

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keller892 t1_iyyfixb wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

There are some stories that are briefly outlined here and here, but I cant immediately find a lot that represents Native peoples talking about their cultural view of geology themselves, as opposed to academics. The second link might be a jumping off point though.

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C00K1EB0Y t1_iyyeity wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

A Land So Strange by Andre Resendez doesn't specifically mention YellowStone National Park but is a good insight into how native Americans lived and interacted with each other and the settlers.

It's a Spanish perspective. The first part of the book is mainly to do with the Spanish but the second half of the book has most of the interactions.

I hope this helps.

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carlitobradlin t1_iyycrt9 wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Empire if the Summer Moon may shed some light on interactions between many different tribes and white settlers and military.

“Quahadis were the hardest, fiercest, least yielding component of a tribe that had long had the reputation as the most violent and warlike on the continent; if they ran low on water, they were known to drink the contents of a dead horse’s stomach, something even the toughest Texas Ranger would not do.”

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