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Ceramicrabbit t1_iz2co4n wrote

Reply to comment by kanegaskhan in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

From a North American native population? They didn't use hieroglyphs, they had petroglyphs and pictographs but those arent a form of writing. Do you have a source on the scrolls? That sounds impossible until the Europeans arrived and introduced written language

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Kbudz t1_iz28vcl wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

"The Origins of the Yellowstone River" is one of the only verified and authentic native stories of the region. A Northern Shoshone man named Ralph Dixey told a version of it, and it was collected in 1953 by folklorist Ella E. Clark. Other than this story, there is little reliable info or documentation on legends, myths, or other native folklore about Yellowstone.

I highly recommend "Tales from America's National Parks: Campfire Stories" edited by Dave and Ilyssa Kyu. It touches on 6 national parks and has a section on Yellowstone but mentions native folklore and stories from each park which the editors said were hard to come by as someone else mentioned here that a lot of native stories were told by word and not recorded.

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NnyIsSpooky t1_iz28r5v wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Here's a book written by Dr Joe Medicine Crow - last War Chief of the Crow Nation.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/from-the-heart-of-the-crow-country-the-crow-indians-own-stories_joseph-medicine-crow/607760/#edition=4808650&idiq=6026173

He wrote many books on Crow culture and history but a lot of them aren't published anymore.

ETA: I am Crow. And iirc, we don't have origins out of Yellowstone National Park. The beginning of our people start with two Chiefs who lived to the east among many lakes and forests. Both chiefs received visions from the Great Spirit, and a pod of seeds. One was told to plant the seeds to provide sustenance for their people. The other - Chief No Vitals - was to go west and plant the seeds in the mountains they find. No Vitals did not leave immediately, but when he was in middle afe. He and the people who went west became the Crow but they didn't have a name originally. They wandered for 100 years before they settled in Crow Country. The went as far west as the great Salt Lake, as far south as north New Mexico, and finally settled in southern Montana/northern Wyoming. No Vitals was dead by then, but his protege Running Coyote was entrusted with the seeds to the mountains, named by Chief Medicine Crow as "the Beartooths, the Wind River Mountains, the Crazy Mountains, the Absarokas, and the Grand Tetons".

"The Crow country is a good country. The Great Spirit has put it exactly in the right place; while you are in it you fare well; whenever you go out of it, whichever way you travel, you will fare worse." - Chief Arapooish to Mr Robert Campbell of the Rocky Mountain Fur Company.

Also, just wanted to say, according to Dr Medicine Crows book, some French brothers ventured from their Canadian Outpost and came across us and named us Beaux Hommes. Because we are some damn good looking people. 😎

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Not_just_bikes t1_iz27z2e wrote

Reply to comment by xanthidium in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Neither one of those sound at all in any way objective

Sounds like they just didn’t like the way Native American tribes were shown rather than having actual factual errors to point out

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Kbudz t1_iz27fds wrote

Reply to comment by mglyptostroboides in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

In "Tales from America's National Parks: Campfire Stories" it is mentioned that historians agree that the fear story was a myth. They suggest that natives may have deliberately stayed quiet about Yellowstone.

Although there are 26 native tribes associated with Yellowstone, their stories are absent from the records of European explorers. William Clark, of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, surmised that the natives were afraid of the geysers- an assumption now widely believed to be absurdly false. More likely is that the natives were intentionally not telling the Europeans about their sacred lands.

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Cinnamoniation t1_iz262yy wrote

Reply to comment by Aoeletta in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Or rather, a sleeping supervolcano didn't exist as a concept among the natives. As far as they were concerned, there were some hot springs in the area and there were some vents that sporadically puffed smoke scattered across. Why would they be so invested in building a folklore around that? And more importantly, why are you so insistent on assuming they would?

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HaderTurul t1_iz25v9r wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Difficult to day exactly what they thought, since that was over a century or two ago, and they didn't really have written language.

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kanegaskhan t1_iz25au1 wrote

Reply to comment by Ceramicrabbit in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

There were birch bark scrolls kept that were lost due in fires set to purge areas that were decimated by disease. Stone tablets are a lot more hardy than bark. My father has one passed down to him that tells some story on it in hieroglyphs.

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open_to_feedback t1_iz24vmg wrote

Reply to How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Not far from the subject of the hx of indigenous ppl in Yellowstone I would recommend reading Heartland. From what I gathered from this read you have to appreciate that indigenous people’s relationship with land is obviously not tied to a single location but covers a large expanse of land. National park boundaries, state lines, and international borders came later on.

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Dudecar123 t1_iz249r0 wrote

Reply to comment by Aimless_Wonderer in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Survival... if they didn't destroy their enemy, we would be reading their enemy's histories.

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JoruusCbaoth75 t1_iz21rsz wrote

Reply to comment by Aoeletta in How did Native American tribes indigenous to Yellowstone National Park (e.g., Shoshone, Blackfeet, Crow, etc.) perceive the land (e.g., thoughts on geothermal activity) and what was their relationship like with white/European trappers and explorers entering the region in the early 1800s? by electricdresses

Understatement of the millennium. Their oral histories stretched back further than almost any written histories we have. While some of those have added color, I'm sure more than a few had basis in truth.

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