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Shaushage_Shandwich t1_iz48wly wrote

>A lot of the "leisure" activities associated with modern culture is because of material excess afforded by industrialized manufacturing and resource procurement.

The idea of leisure time and leisure activities only coming about after, and as a result of industrialisation and mass production has been questioned by a lot of people. Here's an interesting article that goes into some of the research that suggest hunter gatherers may have had more leisure time than modern people. https://www.rewild.com/in-depth/leisure.html

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Galahead t1_iz457z8 wrote

These objects dont only appear with children. Theyve been found in adults, theres a case of one being found on someones chest, as if it were hanging by a strinng that was lost to time.

So ita interesting the idea the authors present here, but it for sure isnt the only purpose these things could have. And also, a lot of them are not small

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OutsideSpring t1_iz40ctz wrote

Right? It's an epic story from a brutal time. A time of action. The Normans were larger than life. Look into Roger de Hauteville. His story was pretty insane too. The sixth son of an minor Norman noble who became King of Sicily. He was a great warrior but also a good king who created a cosmopolitan realm where all his subjects were free to worship how they pleased. And he too had a pretty epic love story.

Great post dude. Yeah, it's a crazy story that seems almost too fantastic to be true.

edit: Roger de Hauteville King of Sicily, not Robert Guiscard (aka Robert the Fox, also a huge badass), count of Sicily. The Norman names are so damn confusing. So many Roberts and Rogers . . .

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Hekantonkheries t1_iz3tw2s wrote

I think part of it is necessities of the society.

A lot of the "leisure" activities associated with modern culture is because of material excess afforded by industrialized manufacturing and resource procurement. One worker can literally create thousands of times more product than they could then.

This means the time, labor, and materials of a crafts worker is MUCH more valuable, and thus less likely to be spent on "trinkets". That and, looking at society post-early agriculture, free time didnt really exist much for the majority of the human population, due to social hierarchies and labor demands.

That being said there are some civilizations that would enjoy a certain degree of material excess; usually due to a mass utilization of slaves in lieu of automation in industry (greeks being a prime european example).

Not to say your point has any less validity, just that for a lot of cultures it was literally a case of "ain't got time/money for that"

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