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CK2Noob t1_iz7w7rr wrote
Reply to comment by AliMcGraw in How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
The concept of eggs do fertility is probably something a lot of unrelated cultures realized too, it’s the same with spring festivals. They’re common in tons of cultures. Easter being celebrated around spring also has Christian theological meaning (with the whole resurrection thing). So Yeah.. I don’t understand why the Myth gets repeated.
DaddyCatALSO t1_iz7w7r3 wrote
Reply to How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
Monotheistic and pantheistic religions have amorepersuasive message than old-line paganism, in general. In paganism it's random chanc eo r you didn't do the right ritual, in world religions it's part of life.
TriumphDaWonderPooch t1_iz7w0xm wrote
If Raylan had been there it would have been over with in days.
CK2Noob t1_iz7vxwu wrote
Reply to comment by webbphillips in How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
As pointed out the whole easter bunny thing is a very anglo-saxon thing. The egg is more universal though, but so what? Eggs are a really tiny part of traditional (Especially early) easter celebrations. At best you can say it is evidence for pagan influence on easter, it is not evidence for easter being a pagan holiday.
Again, traditionally easter has consisted of going to Church and celebrating there. Things such a the easter bunny and egg hunts are innovations that came long after paganism had become nonexistant in what was the roman empire. You also have to remember how massive easter was in the past. In western christianity christmas became the ”main” holiday. But traditionally easter has always been the big one with many special celebrations, unique hymns, Church celebrations etc. Especially after the religion was legalized.
Bashstash01 t1_iz7vsif wrote
Reply to comment by Scary-Ad-1345 in Simple/Short/Silly History Questions Saturday! by AutoModerator
UNAMIR was in Rwanda and knew about the plan, but they weren't allowed to intervene by the Peacekeeping Department. The most major thing they did was provide refuge for thousands of people.
SaltineFiend t1_iz7vab9 wrote
Reply to comment by Okie_Chimpo in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
Darrell Scott for anyone who is wondering.
Pleasant_Elephant737 t1_iz7uxaz wrote
Reply to How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
For those saying the Christmas and Saturnalia are related: How do you explain the birth of Jesus during a census in Bethlehem? Would there be a census and festival going on at the same time?
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Bashstash01 t1_iz7u4dx wrote
Reply to comment by Then_Disaster6152 in Simple/Short/Silly History Questions Saturday! by AutoModerator
Here you go:
http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/acts/1947-education-act-ni.html
A bit lengthy, too.
spm7368 t1_iz7tfuj wrote
Reply to How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
When an empire controls over half of Europe and forces everyone to join a religion, that religion spreads pretty quick.
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Reply to comment by MaJust in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
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Hammer_of_Light t1_iz7rta9 wrote
Reply to comment by Troll_For_Truth in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
My family's from Harlan, founded one of the towns there. From the Civil War until about the '80s, most males on the family tree spent time as an outlaw.
The James Gang used to stay at my grandma's farm after they moved to Missouri, and at her house in Texas after they moved.
Two of my distant Confederate cousins murdered another cousin when he came home because he had served as a recruiter for the Union.
I'm not from there (visited once), but I've always gotten the feeling that the men from that time and place were men of action.
poster4891464 t1_iz7rqiy wrote
Reply to comment by cynzthin in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
Looking back on it do you think that fear was realistic at the time?
AliMcGraw t1_iz7rndp wrote
Reply to comment by webbphillips in How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
So, just FYI, that's a very anglo-saxon thing, and other Christian countries/traditions don't mark Easter with eggs and bunnies. (Or they didn't, until international advertising became a thing and English-language holiday traditions kind of conquered some of those holidays completely.)
(Although the Bible does totally use eggs as a symbol of fertility, and even refers to God as a hen brooding over her eggs.) (I cannot remember any rabbit references off the top of my head, but I bet they're there in the Levitical rules about what you're allowed to eat.)
AliMcGraw t1_iz7r3dp wrote
Reply to comment by satan_messiah in How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
It literally comes from the Jewish luni-solar calendar, in an attempt to keep it concordant with Passover.
But yeah, like basically every calendar in the history of the earth uses either a lunar, luni-olar, or solar cycle. So basically all holidays, events, and occurrences are going to occur based on one of those calendars. That doesn't mean people were stealing holidays from each other, although sometimes they were. It just means that the planet works the same way for everyone, and there are only so many ways to mark time astronomically when you only have naked eye observation.
AliMcGraw t1_iz7qj0z wrote
Reply to How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
There's a period of history called the Axial Age, period of about 2500 years when virtually all "modern" religions arose in recognizable form, including Christianity, Rabbinic Judaism, Hinduism, Confusionism, Buddhism. (Depending on how you define the time period, Islam occurs either just within it, or just after.) This is also when the great Greek philosophers are writing, and many other intellectual revolutions are taking place, across the globe, seemingly in societies that have no interaction with each other.
Now, there's quite a bit of dispute about whether the "Axial Age" is even real, and if it is, what it might mean.
But the thing that stands out to me about that period of time, and the religions that arise out of it, is that empires had arisen, they became considerably larger, and cities became much bigger as agricultural surplus grew. We don't have a lot of textual evidence for pre-axial indigenous religions. But they seem like they were more concerned with appeasing and pleasing gods/ ancestors/supernatural forces. Whereas the philosophies and religions that arise from the axial age are very concerned (in comparison) with questions of interpersonal ethics, and how supernatural forces etc want us to behave towards our fellow men. It's possible that the rise of the great modern religions that we know today coincided with people having to ask, "how do I live in this city of 100,000 people and not end up with everyone murdered?" instead of "how do I live in this tribe of 1,000 people who are all at least kind-of related to me??"
It also raises an interesting question of whether those great religions of the axial age are now bleeding adherents left and right because they're simply not built to answer the question when it's another couple of orders of magnitude larger -- "how do I live in this dense urban environment of 10 million people, especially when I know that the lifestyle that makes this possible is harming the planet in irreversible ways." The religions that were dominant for the last 2,000 years don't seem to be doing a great job of addressing that -- and even the ones that are seriously trying, a lot of people don't seem to find their answers persuasive. It's possible that you're currently watching the next great shift in philosophical and religious thought, and will get to watch new belief systems arise and rapidly gain large numbers of adherents in real time.
Or maybe not! Check back in 2000 years.
Dawnbreaker234 OP t1_iz7o9vb wrote
Reply to comment by acrazypsychnurse in Why is it that the life of William the Conquerer seems to be taken from a drama tv show? by Dawnbreaker234
HBO Max about the life of William the Conqueror when?
Dawnbreaker234 OP t1_iz7o34l wrote
Reply to comment by more_beans_mrtaggart in Why is it that the life of William the Conquerer seems to be taken from a drama tv show? by Dawnbreaker234
Man Viking sure play a lot more significant role in history than people know about. They're not just raiders that worship pagan stuff the Norman were French Viking, there was the English Viking that went on a crusade and if course can't forget the awesome Vangarian Guards of Constantinople the Royal Guard of the Emperor.
2kidzandadog t1_iz7nv9a wrote
My family is from Harlan! My grandfather and some of my uncles worked in the mines there. My dad joined the navy to keep from going the same route. Thanks for this history!
Dawnbreaker234 OP t1_iz7nqla wrote
Reply to comment by Hattix in Why is it that the life of William the Conquerer seems to be taken from a drama tv show? by Dawnbreaker234
Don't worry he builds a church in all the genocide. So you know all is forgiven :)
theta_d t1_iz7na4s wrote
Reply to comment by Troll_For_Truth in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
My mom is from Harlan. Spent about a month each year of my childhood there visiting all her family.
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MaJust t1_iz7lti9 wrote
Reply to comment by princessParking in An essay on The Harlan County War by BonesOfTheWaywardSon
You might want to grab a compass
Pure-Age-4426 t1_iz7l473 wrote
Reply to How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
Politheist religions began merging their gods, having fewer and fewer with the passing of centuries or even millennia. I’m not talking about Greek or Egyptian gods, but the gods of the isolated and different tribes. With the commerce and war and syncretism of the conquerors these gods merge. Also, for economic purposes there was en emphasis on the individual contrary to the older gods which emphasized on the tribe. Here Christianity and other judeochristian religions were more skilled to give the universe and world purpose by relying in the already syncretized beliefs of other cultures. The book Homo Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari explains it better
CK2Noob t1_iz7wg5m wrote
Reply to comment by Mo_dawg1 in How did new emerging religions succeed despite established pre-existing religions during ancient and/or pre-historic times? by matthewlee0165
Most of the hávamál tbf. The author was Christian and Christian themes were almost certainly added (for example in what happens after ragnarök). If anything the struggle for historians is sifting away Christian influence from the norse religion