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CK2Noob t1_iz7w7rr wrote

The concept of eggs do fertility is probably something a lot of unrelated cultures realized too, it’s the same with spring festivals. They’re common in tons of cultures. Easter being celebrated around spring also has Christian theological meaning (with the whole resurrection thing). So Yeah.. I don’t understand why the Myth gets repeated.

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CK2Noob t1_iz7vxwu wrote

As pointed out the whole easter bunny thing is a very anglo-saxon thing. The egg is more universal though, but so what? Eggs are a really tiny part of traditional (Especially early) easter celebrations. At best you can say it is evidence for pagan influence on easter, it is not evidence for easter being a pagan holiday.

Again, traditionally easter has consisted of going to Church and celebrating there. Things such a the easter bunny and egg hunts are innovations that came long after paganism had become nonexistant in what was the roman empire. You also have to remember how massive easter was in the past. In western christianity christmas became the ”main” holiday. But traditionally easter has always been the big one with many special celebrations, unique hymns, Church celebrations etc. Especially after the religion was legalized.

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Hammer_of_Light t1_iz7rta9 wrote

My family's from Harlan, founded one of the towns there. From the Civil War until about the '80s, most males on the family tree spent time as an outlaw.

The James Gang used to stay at my grandma's farm after they moved to Missouri, and at her house in Texas after they moved.

Two of my distant Confederate cousins murdered another cousin when he came home because he had served as a recruiter for the Union.

I'm not from there (visited once), but I've always gotten the feeling that the men from that time and place were men of action.

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AliMcGraw t1_iz7rndp wrote

So, just FYI, that's a very anglo-saxon thing, and other Christian countries/traditions don't mark Easter with eggs and bunnies. (Or they didn't, until international advertising became a thing and English-language holiday traditions kind of conquered some of those holidays completely.)

(Although the Bible does totally use eggs as a symbol of fertility, and even refers to God as a hen brooding over her eggs.) (I cannot remember any rabbit references off the top of my head, but I bet they're there in the Levitical rules about what you're allowed to eat.)

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AliMcGraw t1_iz7r3dp wrote

It literally comes from the Jewish luni-solar calendar, in an attempt to keep it concordant with Passover.

But yeah, like basically every calendar in the history of the earth uses either a lunar, luni-olar, or solar cycle. So basically all holidays, events, and occurrences are going to occur based on one of those calendars. That doesn't mean people were stealing holidays from each other, although sometimes they were. It just means that the planet works the same way for everyone, and there are only so many ways to mark time astronomically when you only have naked eye observation.

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AliMcGraw t1_iz7qj0z wrote

There's a period of history called the Axial Age, period of about 2500 years when virtually all "modern" religions arose in recognizable form, including Christianity, Rabbinic Judaism, Hinduism, Confusionism, Buddhism. (Depending on how you define the time period, Islam occurs either just within it, or just after.) This is also when the great Greek philosophers are writing, and many other intellectual revolutions are taking place, across the globe, seemingly in societies that have no interaction with each other.

Now, there's quite a bit of dispute about whether the "Axial Age" is even real, and if it is, what it might mean.

But the thing that stands out to me about that period of time, and the religions that arise out of it, is that empires had arisen, they became considerably larger, and cities became much bigger as agricultural surplus grew. We don't have a lot of textual evidence for pre-axial indigenous religions. But they seem like they were more concerned with appeasing and pleasing gods/ ancestors/supernatural forces. Whereas the philosophies and religions that arise from the axial age are very concerned (in comparison) with questions of interpersonal ethics, and how supernatural forces etc want us to behave towards our fellow men. It's possible that the rise of the great modern religions that we know today coincided with people having to ask, "how do I live in this city of 100,000 people and not end up with everyone murdered?" instead of "how do I live in this tribe of 1,000 people who are all at least kind-of related to me??"

It also raises an interesting question of whether those great religions of the axial age are now bleeding adherents left and right because they're simply not built to answer the question when it's another couple of orders of magnitude larger -- "how do I live in this dense urban environment of 10 million people, especially when I know that the lifestyle that makes this possible is harming the planet in irreversible ways." The religions that were dominant for the last 2,000 years don't seem to be doing a great job of addressing that -- and even the ones that are seriously trying, a lot of people don't seem to find their answers persuasive. It's possible that you're currently watching the next great shift in philosophical and religious thought, and will get to watch new belief systems arise and rapidly gain large numbers of adherents in real time.

Or maybe not! Check back in 2000 years.

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Dawnbreaker234 OP t1_iz7o34l wrote

Man Viking sure play a lot more significant role in history than people know about. They're not just raiders that worship pagan stuff the Norman were French Viking, there was the English Viking that went on a crusade and if course can't forget the awesome Vangarian Guards of Constantinople the Royal Guard of the Emperor.

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Pure-Age-4426 t1_iz7l473 wrote

Politheist religions began merging their gods, having fewer and fewer with the passing of centuries or even millennia. I’m not talking about Greek or Egyptian gods, but the gods of the isolated and different tribes. With the commerce and war and syncretism of the conquerors these gods merge. Also, for economic purposes there was en emphasis on the individual contrary to the older gods which emphasized on the tribe. Here Christianity and other judeochristian religions were more skilled to give the universe and world purpose by relying in the already syncretized beliefs of other cultures. The book Homo Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari explains it better

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