it’s not about murdering people that offend you or being a vigilante. It’s about knowing the next person has a weapon and will defend themselves if 6 ignorant fucks try to harm you while you’re doing your job. It’s called a deterrent. You’re a keyboard warrior/activist that expects the judicial system to carry out justice when it’s historically awful.

Fucking aktually head ass, let me google these statistics I don’t know dick about to make a point that’s moot.

The real question should be why did this black, minority bus driver feel the need to carry a weapon while doing his job, which by the way is a public service offered to people.

Its far more heavy trucks than cars that destroy streets, and we got plenty of them. Its why parkways require much less maintenance than highways. Weather plays into it, as water seeps into cracks created by trucks and freezes, but it needs those cracks.

path is not for me

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Yea there’s very little traffic.

Does traffic destroy the streets? I assumed it was more the weather. It would seem that we should by now have the capability to create roads that withstand cars! Lol like just build something that is designed to actually function as it should.

Obligatory have never lived in BK. I work in FIDI near the Oculus and the commute in from JC, specifically the Exchange Place area, is ~10-15 minutes and super convenient. Coming in from Southern BK would certainly take longer. Downtown JC itself near the water is extremely clean, safe, less crowded (I would almost describe it as a "ghost" time vibe) and rent is cheaper for the amount of space you would be getting, though may be par with Southern BK compared to Manhattan etc. Overall a good experience. If commute time is big factor for you as it was for me, I think it may be a no brainer.

Unfair to compare a state with the same population as Hudson County. Traffic destroys streets, as well as constantly tearing them up for utilities, neither of which applies to VT.

That 6 months advance demand is illegal under NJ law. I have turned down offers of prepayment due to this.

https://www.state.nj.us/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_lti/t_i_r.pdf

The maximum-security deposit to be collected by the landlord cannot be more than one and one-half times one month’s rent (N.J.S.A. 46:8B-21.2). It can be less. Any additional yearly security deposit increase may not exceed 10% of the current security deposit. A landlord may not charge a pet security deposit if it exceeds one and one-half times one month’s rent when combined with the regular security deposit.

In the case of Brownstone Arms v. Asher, 121 N.J. Super. 401 13 (1972), and Reilly v. Weiss, 406 N.J. Super. 71 (2009), the courts determined that advanced rents in excess of one and one-half times the monthly rental payment violate the Security Deposit Law. Therefore, any prepaid funds held to secure future rents are considered to be a part of the security deposit. This includes the last month’s rent. It does not matter how the prepaid funds are labeled. The landlord may only require one and one-half times the tenant’s monthly rent as security and the first month’s rent at the inception of the lease. That means the landlord may not require more than two and one-half times the monthly rent at the inception of the lease, this includes the security deposit and the first month’s rent.

> late 20s and probably won't have kids for 5 years or so. She works from home but I work in the Financial District.

Before you compare prices, look at the NYC vs NJ tax difference since it sounds like you two are white collar early-mid-career folks.

My wife and I are “spending more” on rent compared to where we lived in Brooklyn earlier, but after comparing taxes+rent we are saving $1,000+ a month on “rent + taxes”.

That was a major decider in our move.

Living in JC is easier, nicer, more open space and more chill. Only downside is if you want a ton of arts/concerts/cultural activities right in your neighborhood.. BK is just so much bigger JC cant compare on that but improving each year tbh

Jersey is nicer than Brooklyn. Some people would rather just say they live in Brooklyn though. Nightlife here is kinda meh so if you guys are big clubbers or anything I would choose Brooklyn, otherwise Downtown JC or Hoboken is your best bet.

Keep in mind, your friends will probably not visit you if you move to Jersey even though it’s closer than Brooklyn. A lot of people in NYC are allergic to New Jersey.

Transit:

I don’t really see any advantages that south Brooklyn has over Hudson county, except it’s probably on average less car dependent, but you really don’t need a car if you live near the LR or PATH. You will be closer to the city here than you will be there for certain. NJT buses to port authority are pretty solid. I think the ferry is kind of a rip off but some people like it and it’s dependable.

I think the PATH is far better than the NYC subway but there is debate on this subreddit whether that’s true. In my experience it’s more reliable for commuting. It’s certainly safer and cleaner than the NYC subway. Off hours the PATH doesn’t run very often.

Affordability: Most places near the PATH train have pretty much reached comparable prices to NYC, but the apartments are on average nicer, newer, and have more amenities. The monthly cost of an apartment is probably not going to be lower than one in Brooklyn, but when you factor in the quality of the apartment and commute times your money still goes further at the end of the day imo.

If you want something cheaper and are open to a more Suburban feel I would look at Yonkers/lower west Chester as well.

I thought advanced payments like that weren't legal

I'd check with a real estate attorney before handing over that much cash, making invalid contracts or deals that fall outside the law is risky for both the tenant and landlord.

> They ask for 6 months of advanced rent payment while leasing

Christ isn't that like 15 grand for some of those towers?

Sake of argument of a good handful of comparative pound for pound examples and associated tradeoffs, Jersey City can be cheaper with things but it's not that much cheaper than many situations in NYC. It doesn't take much to find some extremely lateral setups in Jersey City and parts of NYC.

If you're in a higher tax bracket where the squeeze of the tax man is a bit more noticeable with what you're taking home, than yeah "it's cheaper" but it's not like New Jersey is known for being some magical wonderland people seek out for low taxation.

If a concern is quiet and you have someone going to work in Financial District, then yeah I wouldn't say somewhere like Downtown Jersey City is that bad of ideas.

If there's any stuff I'd say be mindful of, if you have a friend group that is scattered all throughout NYC and you're in JC expect often being the one to be going out to meet up with people and factor in how the PATH can be a total clusterfuck during late hours and weekends. If you say money isn't really a concern, yeah knock yourself out with the more expensive uber rides home if you can find someone willingly to go into NJ but if you lead an active enough social life taking you over creation in NYC, it can get a little old and pricy after awhile.

Sunset Park to Lower Manhattan is about 30-40 minutes on the R train.

JC to Lower Manhattan cab be about 10 minutes on the PATH + depending on how far you live from the PATH (service is not as widespread compared to the NYC Subway)

Do you have any personal hobbies or interests in Brooklyn?

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Come spend some time, though probably better when its warmer! Walk or bike around the neighborhoods. See the differences between the hi-rise waterfront, the Downtown Brownstone Historic Districts, and an area like the Heights, cheaper, less dense, and quiet. I'm guessing the GF would prefer the latter 2. You can get a 2br in the Heights for $2K.

Only comparison between JC and BK is it still "crowded". Maybe not as much as downtown Brooklyn but understand a lot of people have been moving here, might feel less crowded because of less tourists

JC is way nicer, I lived in Brooklyn (Williamsburg) before moving here and I have no regrets. cleaner, more pleasant, food is great, and if you work in FiDi your commute will be very fast

We moved to Hoboken and then to JC without ever spending any time in either before moving, coming from the west village. Chose jersey over Brooklyn because (depending on where you are) it’s definitely way cleaner and way less crowded and much closer to where we like to hang out in the city (west side down town), plus tax savings. Ultimately we decided if we weren’t going to be in Manhattan we might as well be in Hoboken/JC so we can take advantage of some of the benefits of not being in the city.

I’d say do it - we’ve never regretted it and disagree with the earlier comment - JC and BK are not the same, but I guess depends where in JC and where in BK.

You can find a great space in JC with that budget. Path train is easy access into Manhattan. Great art scene. Less crowded for now but there is a ton of development happening around the city - what before Covid was an empty lot is now a 20 story apartment complex. That’s happening in most neighborhoods here. Since you’re working in the city, try to find something near the path.

The reliance on Amazon for literally everything is one of the better reasons to hold onto a car…

Really? Dang

You’ll probably want to start your errands early today- looks like the path is using the holiday schedule and stopping in hoboken even though it’s Monday. Have fun!