Who knows, you’re throwing out a lot of assumptions, maybe she wasn’t showing any kind of suspicious behavior before all of this unfolded. There are a lot of questions to be asked about this and there won’t be many answers, nobody knows what happened inside that house except for her, if she did suffer from PPD, she could have hid the symptoms until she snapped, you don’t know how this family lived their lives. The “system” and other family members shouldn’t be blamed for this until more information is available.

No medical organization will allow this. It's incredibly unethical.

If only that was now and not from 2021, eh?

This winter was disappointing. It was, thankfully, not a cold winter, but when it did get cold, it was like we got nothing for it. If it gets cold enough, I at least want some snow to go with it.

A modest proposal

Looks like it was cosponsored by reps Carlos Gonzalez (10th Hampden) and Judith Garcia (11th Suffolk). Might want to check and see if they've donated their brains.

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Well, think about what’s involved in actually obtaining bone marrow…

"Be Civil & No trolling"

I don't know if my thick as fuck Boston accent can abide by this. The amount of 'Fuck You's", and "The Brockton Papa-Gino's" That just come out of my mouth on a daily basis is just obscene.

Im a fucking DORCHESTER TOWNIE. You can't expect me to not be an obscene troll. I look at your Western MA tag, and understand you might be a little confused by what that means, but it means insulting people is my love language. Saying 'John - go fuck yourself - you fucking tool'. is how we say 'I love you'. I can't help it.

I use 'fuckin' as a thought placeholder instead of 'umm' or 'like'. Thats how obscene I am.

Opinion:

Everything is awful. There is no perfect viewpoint.

I feel the system, and the people around the family, failed. If she was that bad, why was she not in a care facility? She clearly was not stable enough to be the acting parent (caregiver) of a child. Why did the husband trust his wife to leave her unattended? Where was "Child Family Services" in all this? I mean, damn, should these kids be unsupervised with her having full custody given how unwell she was?!

There is a fine line between experiencing a mental crisis and having the intention to do something. If she planned this in advance, that in my opinion would suggest some thought-out reasoning, as opposed to a moment of madness. That fine line unfortunately can be used as an excuse to get away with something you should not, just as easily as it could wrongfully blame someone who was "out of it." That unfortunately is the "snag" because where that line begins and ends is not always clear.

Ultimately, everyone failed those children. Everyone.

I think it makes sense to be wary of non-directed living donations or deceased donations. Clearly any sort of incentive system is pretty appalling. But what about a directed kidney or liver donation to a immediate family member?

Forcing someone to watch a loved-one die when they could have helped them outside of jail, seems cruel and unnecessary.

Trade in human tissues is the same regardless of the tissue. It's creating an incentive to undertake a risky medical procedure under the duress of incarceration.

No way in hell this is ethical!

This is fucked up

I'm not the person you were responding to but I think the public health emergency is already considered over. I'm on Mass Health and have been since 2005 and yet had to go through a redetermination in 2022 to ascertain that I was still eligible for it otherwise they were going to terminate my Mass Health coverage. Mass Health has also reinstituted prescription drug copays, etc.

Yes, and then again, no. One of the ways that doctors are increasing the matches is to give people an option to "chain" donate. (link)

I mean who cares about the practical problems? It’s coercive. It’s unconscionable. It’s fucking disgusting. I don’t care if it was easy-peasy and zero risk it’s still completely unethical and entirely inappropriate.

There is more time spent investigating potential organ donors but the absolute restrictions are actually much less strict. While blood supplies have been scarce over the last few years, availability of donor organs is extremely limited. And organs must be matched to a recipient in many ways aside from blood type (size for example).

So transplant medicine has gone to great lengths to maximize the potential for organ donations. This includes transplanting from donors who were incarcerated, are Hep C positive, or HIV positive. These risks do require a conversation between the recipient and their doctor, but may make sense in some cases (such as if the potential recipient is also Hep C positive or if it does not appear they would survive long enough to receive another organ offer).

A similar idea applies to tissue donation. People are more likely to die in a way that allows them to be tissue donors (skin, corneas, etc) and the recipient’s health is less critical. So there are stricter eligibility criteria for tissue donation than organ.

But regardless, I think this kind of incentive is a truly bad idea.

I hate to make the comparison, but alleged organ trafficking of prisoners in China has been a perennial human rights issue raised over at least the last decade.

Gotta say, I’m a little surprised by the sponsors.

The downside is what this incentivizes.

About damn time !

You know society is moving in the wrong direction when "slave prisoners" is the lighter option compared to "bag of organs waiting for harvest"

We already do it for slave labor, so…

Does the city/town you live in have a reddit group that you could ask for a volunteer willing to go with you?

Are you signed up for your look nextdoor group www.nextdoor.com I have noticed many generous people step forward to help people in situations like this at least around where I am.

A kidney match isn’t too hard. There would be a lot of organs available….but I’m wildly opposed to this bill.