Recent comments in /f/massachusetts

gtrain05 t1_j81729w wrote

It’s not about following someone’s beliefs it’s about being respectful of other peoples beliefs. Not just religion. It’s a respect thing and the teacher may want to stop it in behalf of the other kids. Don’t believe in the op post it said it was the teachers religious beliefs. In my family we would say “Jesus Christ!” but never in public or around my grandmother.

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Practical-Basil-1353 t1_j813r08 wrote

Jew hell? You’re a fucking idiot, thanks for “nexting” yourself. 😂

Punish… Did you even read the OP? No one was punished, the teacher told the Kindergarten student to not say that word. Since this is all third hand through a Kindergarten student we should assume the adult was actually appropriate and the child’s version of the story is possibly misconstrued.

No one is pushing religion, a point you still don’t fucking grasp. How about more plain English since you’re such a fucking moron. Any kid shouldn’t say “oh my god” every time they are shocked; it’s fake drama, I heard it from my parents bullshit. They are 5, they aren’t arguing about the existence of god. No Kindergarten student says OMG because they are atheists you fucking twit. It’s them repeating their parents. And if the teacher asked them to stop, respect the teacher. They aren’t the babysitter for your kid, it’s their professional work environment. They are not a servant to the public for $50k a year without a voice into their own classroom. If a kid was saying really anti Jewish things would the teacher have to suspend their own beliefs of what a religion-free classroom environment should be? If you are arguing the black and white interpretation of the law, then go ahead and say more stupid stuff. Your argument is based on theory, not reality. Remember, at the end of the day they are there to learn the ABCs, and how to be socially and emotionally adjusted.

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lostmindplzhelp t1_j812lnd wrote

It's a sin for Christians to use the lord's name in vain and some will get offended when other people do it. Generally it's socially acceptable in America but it's kinda rude to be going around spouting religious epitaths. I'm atheist now but I was raised Catholic. When people at work yell out stuff like "Jesus Christ!" It still sounds like they are dropping the F-bomb to me. It's not really appropriate for school or work. This might be a good time to break this habit. Imagine the shit show if he replaced the word "God" with "Allah" or was yelling "oy vey." If he's getting in trouble at school for it he should probably stop.

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Conscious_Home_4253 t1_j80xaaw wrote

And that’s why I stated- she should make an appointment with the teacher. OP also never stated her child did this repeatedly in a classroom setting.

People may consider it offensive- but it’s not obscene and it’s protected under the First Amendment.

Massachusetts passed a state law in 1974 “the Student Free Expression law.” Mass Supreme Judicial Court read this state law to incorporate the “Tinker” standard and proclaimed broad free speech for students in Massachusetts. Because Massachusetts created this state law and Mass Supreme Judicial Court expanded the meaning- students in Massachusetts have more 1A freedoms/protections than students in other states where no state laws have been passed.

Tinker Standard is Tinker v. Des Moines is a ruling from 1969- the right to speak freely and protest as long as the student isn’t disruptive.

Again- OP never said her son was being disruptive- she stated he has been disciplined for saying the statement.

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pillbinge t1_j80t3ha wrote

>It's not a swear word, offensive phrase or harming anyone by saying it.

Neither is profaning God by using one's freedom of speech, but doing so repeatedly in a classroom setting would be obviously over the line. Some people consider it a grave offense, and swearing is contextual.

It's also kind of like if a kid holds up a ring finger but says "I'm not swearing though!"

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JaKr8 t1_j80t3g9 wrote

It's a hard balance. And I'm not trying to be critical of your beliefs, because we are an agnostic family as well. But I do, having gotten certified to teach math and physics, understand what it's like to keep control of a rowdy classroom at times!!

Unfortunately I don't know if there's really any right or wrong here, since we all have different perspective on things. Either way I hope everything works out well for you and your son.

One of the drawbacks of Western Massachusetts is that there aren't a lot of school options, it's not like you could just take your kid out ( Not that you would ever want to do that) and put him in another local elementary school, especially if you are here in Berkshire county where everything is so far apart... So as a parent you definitely feel like you have to be carefully/diplomatically straddling that line between diplomacy, and standing up for your child.

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