I liked the movie. I don’t think it’s the movie Andy saw. They say it is but the way the toy says to infinity and beyond, how he is already battling the emperor and the fact that not one did the toy ask where his companion was? All of it didn’t match up.

They should’ve based it off that cartoon show they had in like 2000 or so.

That was a funny little show

Bad directors SHOULD fail. Because they are bad.

Good directors can put out shit but redeem themselves with other works. But Rollerball, Jupiter Ascending, Batman and Robin by Joel Schumacher, THOSE movies end a career.

Martin Scorsese gets away with 'Hugo' because he is fucking Martin Scorsese. Guy Ritchie gets King Arthur. Does Don Hall get another shot after the financial abomination that is 'Strange World'?

Weird and difficult place to be sure.

Tim Allen is buzz Lightyear

Was he actually a space hero in Lightyear? The whole movie is a blur but doesnt he just give up and fight himself? And then gets rewarded for some reason

The plot is pretty damn convoluted for an adult movie.

Conservative are more likely to have more kid's See this https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/republicans-more-kids-democrats-lot-183722934.html and it is not even accounting for socially conservative black and Latino . You can insult them as much you want but they are huge percentage of audience ignoring them increase chance of flop. Not even talking about conservative international market

Haha, been a while for me

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Honestly there were parts I like but aside from its commercial issues, I thought plot-wise it's a hard sell to present us with a new scifi premise every 30 minutes and hope that adds up to a movie.

Not a bad film, but one without a clear story to tell. That for me is as big an issue as the uncertainty of how it fits in with Toy story.

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anyone remember the Buzz Lightyear cartoon? Pixar hates that cartoon apparently but I think it was far better than Lightyear.

Lots of copium. It failed because the story was garbage, it was political so received negative press and positive word of mouth was nonexistent

I thought it was a legitimately good light sci-fi movie that would have been far more successful if it weren’t piggybacking on an established kids series. I think maybe they figure more adults would go see it since the first Toy Story came out almost 30 years ago. Betting on the nostalgia thing.

Same! Spent the last half hour looking into that show. Feels like a childhood memory was unlocked.

If it wasn’t a Buzz Lightyear movie, people would have been praising Pixar’s unique hard sci fi adventure movie.

I still feel like he's struggling to understand the appeal of Buzz Lightyear. Audiences love that he's a slightly dumb but well intentioned and heroic good guy. He's a great contrast to Woody, a character who is wimpy, emotional, insecure and anxious while Buzz is brave, strong-hearted and a bit naive.

The problem was that the Buzz in Lightyear had none of the appeal of the Buzz Lightyear audiences love. This portrayal was one-dimensional and boring. His character journey is - his inability to let go of the past? His need for control and learning to work with others? This is an action movie for children. The original character was inspired by the 50s action serials like Flash Gordon. He needs to be a barrel-chested hero getting into crazy adventures. Why the hell would they go with a drab, boring, gray movie inspired by Interstellar? What kind of pretentious bullshit is that?

That character can lead his own franchise, but get to the core of what made him work. People liked the straight man in a whacky world. Give him a colorful cast of aliens and 90s silliness instead of that boring, forgettable, braindead, nothing, bleh cast in that movie we got instead. That animated series got the appeal of the character way better, plus paired him with a great supporting cast - Mira Nova was pragmatic and sensible when Buzz was naive, Booster was wimpy and unconfident while Buzz was headstrong, and XR was a know-it-all when Buzz himself is kinda dumb.

It's not the audiences' fault for not understanding the movie. It's Pixar's fault for not understanding their own character.

I liked it, but ppl who were fans of Toy Story were looking for a different Buzz. How tf they didn't understand that was beyond me.

Why don’t they just say that it was the gay scenes they put in it I remember when it came out there was articles left and right people pissed off about it. I mean I don’t give a shit about the movie either way but let’s call a spade a spade and not say some dumb shit about expecting to much of the audience and it’s because it was science fiction..

Hold on... someone mentioned time dilation in this movie and that the plot is too convoluted for children.

So is this actually a good sci-fi movie for adults potentially?

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I just watched it about 2 hours ago and thought it was a pretty solid sci-fi movie. I think it gets a lot more hate than it deserves honestly. Everyone speaks to its disconnect from Toy Story as a reason that it did poorly but for me at least I couldn’t care less, he’s a cool character on his own. I even loved the Buzz Lightyear cartoon when I was a kid and that had nothing to do with Toy Story either as far as I can remember, and that didn’t seem to be a problem at the time. Admittedly the “this is the movie Andy watched” text at the beginning of the movie definitely felt like a weird add-on after the fact because it makes no sense that this is supposed to be a 90s movie, but I can’t understand how that apparently ruined the movie for a bunch of people. It’s pretty easy to ignore.

My take on why it didn’t do well is just because it wasn’t a great movie, it was just fine. And since it wasn’t really targeted to kids in the same way most of Pixar is, I think it needed to be great in order to have a more significant impact. I was excited to watch it because it looked like a cool sci-fi movie, and frankly it was, but that’s probably not how you get a ton of people to watch your movie.

I think the biggest problem is they tried to tell us this was a kids movie from 1995 and then showed us a very 2022 movie. They could have leaned into all of the cheesyness of the Buzz video game intro we saw at the beginning of Toy Story 2 but instead tried to get way too real.

I would say time travel can be a very holit or miss thing in a story. Another problem they are in space yet stuck on one planet. No other alien races. The Buzz Lightyear animated show had both these elements which helped. Add in a rotating cast of characters no wonder why it did not work.

If you use that same logic and apply it to say, Blade Runner 2049, then that movie should have ended Denis Villeneuve's career.

Or Scott Pilgrim for Edgar Wright's.