https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/unionleader/name/merrill-pataski-fay-obituary?id=38555399

Size wasn’t a factor here

Reddit echo chamber is not NH - live free or die is not something Dems understand… neither freedom nor the right to die (without paying a tax)

just ftr, the most recent news from NHPR says police logs show he was shot within two minutes of them arriving

make of it what you will, we still don’t know what actually happened that night, but I think it’s important to at least note the 120 second time span that’s now public knowledge

https://youtu.be/9mzPj_IaMzY

Are you not aware riot shields exist? Do you know the cops in Gilford could have had one each when going anywhere near that house (fully knowing they were meeting someone armed and dangerous) if our approach to law enforcement in the US was sensible? Or probably even if those cops had wanted them?

That video is cops in the UK squaring off against a man running around outside with a machete, and they successfully disarm him. Similar has happened plenty of times, just usually not in the US

Before you say “these situations aren’t even comparable!”— they’re very different situations, yes. The point is it’s definitely possible to stop/disarm/detain someone with a deadly weapon without just going “Everybody STK if you’re scared!”

There are always new ways to do old things, and we come up with them constantly. We can do this one too, we just need to give enough of a shit about it

I've lived in NH for many decades, and most of it here in Manchester. The only thing, and I do mean ONLY thing Manchester has going for it is geographic location. You're an hour from Boston, an hour from the beautiful Connecticut River Valley and Vermont beyond, an hour from the Seacoast and about an hour from the White Mts. Now, what's right here? I could say a lot of unkind things but will instead say the guys who say it's Portland without the Ocean are probably close enough to the truth. The housing situation is atrocious, the various political engines that gain and lose power whether Democratic (Usually DINO "centrists") or Repugnican (No description needed at this point, I should hope) seem to be in some sort of competition to see who can mismanage the city most completely for their own benefit... I'm hoping to be out of the state by the end of January because I just can't afford to live here any more, and I have a whole lot of company. If you're already settled in a good situation then just stay where you are. You're welcome to come visit as much as you like. If you can spend more than 50 hours in this city and still think you want to live here (and no I don't mean 50 hours in bars drinking or chasing hookers, crack, Meth and Fentanyl like so many of our tourists) then by all means, come on down and Welcome to The Land Of A Thousand Dances!

https://manchesterinklink.com/car-accident-causes-manchester-area-xfinity-outage/?fbclid=IwAR24rSZ4tSPx42t6dXVTby4Ka8zvTdoNY5syBnhW6Vg8yDUc4EsA5NFSE-U

It’s okay to be angry when someone is killed under terrible circumstances, especially when it means they’ll never get the chance to grow up

It’s actually healthy and normal to find it outrageous and to want to prevent it, even if there aren’t enough facts yet to know exactly what needed preventing in this situation

What do you think is the best way to accomplish that?

I agree with you (although I’d stop just before “never” depending on context) and am constantly asking myself how we can effectively organize to educate our own communities about mental health (and the risk of violence being much higher against people with mental illness than committed by them), deescalation tactics, crisis management, conflict resolution, resources etc— any ways to handle our shit and not involve police

We need it now

My only instinct is that i think it has to start on a micro level— one community/neighborhood/whatever at a time choosing to get to know each other and work together for everyone’s benefit. Hell, even just “anyone in town who wants to talk about mental illness and violence in our communities, and how we can work together to make this a safer and healthier place to live for everyone here, show up at {blah blah} on Tuesday the 11th” is a good start I think?

If we can get people talking— face to face— I think that alone would be a fantastic start and I hope that’s not naivety but the comments here today have been pretty disheartening

With all their fuck ups you wonder if they even identified themselves or just kicked in the guys door, who thinks it’s someone robbing him so he starts shooting and once you shoot a cop you can’t stop as your most likely already dead and if you’re not dead your about to be. No knocks just seem dangerous for everyone involved.

> My buddy's roommate is on Manchester SWAT

A swat officer who can't afford his own place? Seems suspicious

Higher level vests are necessary BDUs not so much

EMS won't even go on scene without LEO for something like this.

Liberals ruining nh

>Maybe you should seek therapy for whatever trauma has caused you to get so emotional and irrationally worked

This is stupid. Its reddit comments. The only one who appears worked up here is you.

Thank you for that last couple sentences; it’s what I’ve been trying to explain all night, but what you just said is the concise bottom line

It's funny. Whenever I mention anything too critical of police to my dad, he's always like, "huh, you should talk to my friend, the police chief, and see what he has to say about that. Surely, his perspective on the matter should be valuable!"

Umm... no. That's really not how that works.

Best hours

That'd be a respectable first step, yeah. We need to do a hell of a lot more than just that, but that's a good start.

Cops. Every single time.

Check the voter rolls in your town. They're down at the town hall. Then fill this in [citation needed]

Who's gonna pay for all that gear?

If they shouldn't have military training, then why would taxpayers need to equip them with military gear?

[https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2017-05-01/how-do-n-h-police-decide-to-shoot-or-not-shoot-when-facing-armed-ill-or-addicted-people]

This is a really interesting look at a lot of the questions we all have, but it also raises others that are pretty complicated

It has some interviews with police, and one of the examples actually used is a drunk man armed with a knife and mental health problems who was successfully talked down and convinced to drop it in the street while his kids and family were in the driveway. It’s hard to contrast that with Mischa’s death because the subtle differences may have changed the outcome (ie, they were outside and not in a confined space; it was broad daylight; the man had kids nearby) but it’s interesting to hear what a police officer has to say about a cops vs knife scene in NH

Some of the language is vague and could be better— “many” officers getting special deescalation training doesn’t tell us much, and they could have easily included the data on that. Regardless of how complex the topic at hand is and how contentious our conversation has been, I really think you’ll appreciate this piece

Notable: “The highest level of training teaches police that if their efforts to defuse a situation fail, they should shoot if they believe they themselves could be killed.”

Late 90s court case — yes, no knock warrants are constitutional. It was a unanimous decision, btw.

Ok, city planner junior, where do you put the tent city of homeless?