Nice victim blaming.

Sorry, but the whole "being bullied into transition" thing is a made up wedge issue pushed by questionable sources.

I think your key point there is that once you hit puberty, you realized you were cis. Now, can you imagine the opposite?

Good to know. I’m not trying to troll anyone. I genuinely don’t know statistics. I think I’ve been constructive in my discourse but I can’t say the same for you.

Take a course at international mountain equipment first. Rope handling, ice and terrain knowledge, weather knowledge, equipment familiarization, and the general climbing knowledge is worth it.

Do they have children?

Doesn't change the fact that children can't consent.

I’ll talk about it. Hopefully it passes!

These decisions, even if made by parents on behalf of the minor, are not snap decisions. There is a process, including therapy and potentially ssri meds, that generally lasts a year or more, before any endocrinologist intervention, and longer before any surgical intervention. No one decides this overnight. I've been involved with this community, and I've never met a parent who actively encouraged transition. Including myself.

Reminder abt the trans sanctuary bill, I mention 619 but I haven't got the spoons to tackle it in a way that isn't just ripping apart everything wrong w the bill. There's a script that can be copy/pasted to email your rep

Intersex infants cannot consent to genital mutilations, yet this bill explcititly allows it

The section as you approach tree line is notoriously hard in snowpack because of the side hill and deep snow. If you have a group you might be able to power through it, but solo is probably not so fun. Plus the road walk to the trailhead adds a couple miles each way.

I would strongly recommend just using the Crawford Path up Pierce as that is a very good winter introduction.

Edit: Fixed typo

You're right, infants should not be undergoing genital mutilations. Which is explcititly what this bill allows to occur.

You realize these have been used for years prior to them being used for trans kids right? They are literally prescribed to those who expierence puberty too early, and once it's safe and of age to have puberty, they go off it it and resume their puberty. Years dude. Longer than I've been alive even, and no one minded then

>But as someone who actually knows people that have been abused, bullied and looked down on by people like you, I would stand by them a 1000x over.

That's a strange stance considering that you're proposing abuse to vulnerable people that aren't able to consent.

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>But rather by the hateful bigot that felt the need to push their views on other people.

That's pretty much what I'm against. People who would force children into things they're not ready for.

Why does it explcitity allows genital mutilations then? Doesn't seem to care much about the well being of children regarding sexual health when it explicitly allows abuse and mutilations to continue. Not touching the rest of that as you're clearly uneducated

I just posted some actual testimony. If you think children are old enough to consent to this type of thing, makes me wonder what else you want them to be able to consent to.

I wouldn't expect you to understand. You have demonstrated your ignorance on the subject exceptionally well. But as someone who actually knows people that have been abused, bullied and looked down on by people like you, I would stand by them a 1000x over. As for the violence part, I have stepped in and stopped plenty of fights that were not started by the person I was defending. But rather by the hateful bigot that felt the need to push their views on other people.

Look, it's clear you don't want to listen to the science here and testimony from people who actually know what they're talking about, so we're done here.

Wanting to pressure children down a path they're not responsible enough to be able to consent to is child abuse, simple as that.

Right. Because the NY Post is a bastion of journalistic integrity.

Wanting to stop transgender children from receiving the treatment they need is transphobia. It's really as simple as that.

I've read through this whole thread and it seems both sides have come up with scientific literature both for and against transitioning while a minor. I lean towards not letting this occur until one is an adult but admit I'm fully uneducated on the science. That said, why in hell can't they discuss it in schools, particularly if discussions are info only with open dialogue? Perhaps not as part of a curriculum as there is likely not enough educators who are qualified to do so, but discussing it as part of a health class "open conversation" to hear what students think might be useful. If nothing else, it could help lessen trans discrimination now and in the future. JMO.

I trust the sources I posted a lot more than I trust Vice. Vice is trash, has been for a long time. They're an opinion site, nothing more, and their opinions always skew one way.

Wanting to protect children is not hate or any type of phobia. Once they're adults, once their minds are developed enough to be able to consent and be able to recognize peer pressure and the impact of constant exposure to social media, they're free to do what they want.

>Ask any gay person if they think being gay is a mental illness.

Doctors used to define it that way, before changing not based on anything tangible, but due to pressure from the public.

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> I hope you get punched in the face for the question.

Condoning violence towards people with opinions that you don't like. Nice.

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>Not to automatically label them as mentally ill.

You're basically stigmatizing mental illness.

Actually taking hormones is reversible. But intelligent people already know that every human has both estrogen and testosterone in their body. Yes you, the man with all kinds of life regrets. Even you have estrogen in your body. It's the predominance of one or the other that determines things like growing breasts or a penis. A man that takes estrogen therapy making it the predominant hormone in their body will grow breasts to a degree. Same way a woman taking testosterone will grow facial hair. And I don't know of a single medical professional in this country that would take to cutting off a child's punishment until they are a legal adult and can make the decision for themselves.