Why wont you stay to support us and keep the grandkids nearby?

Sorry pops, unless you are going to sell me your house for 1/2 the market value and move in to a home with the money that will run out in 2 years.... we can't afford it.

The executive council recently killed funding for the study that would have told us that

I drive all the way from the upper valley, I would love to only have to drive to Manch and just catch a train.

Yeah everywhere is backed up. It was just crisis after crisis in NH after Saturday.

Ice skating!

They can log in and get your name, banking, etc and flip you over to them at a higher rate than stated, cause your electric to be shut off, etc etc.

There's a lot more they can do than you think.

No money is coming in. No one comes here to avoid sales tax any more and everyone who lives in Southern NH works in MA. Take a look at 93 at 5am

Yes, all the studies are the last ones to be made. That's before the next additional study is launched. You're naïve if you can't see that. Obstructionism is part of our system. You admit things never get off the ground, so it sounds like you agree with me.

Saying there are "indirect benefits" isn't a convincing argument. It will be a money pit, and will only be used by a small number of people that already have a way of commuting.

You're using stops in Manchester as a plural, as in multiple stops? That's even worse. Each additional stop makes it that much longer to get from NH to Boston. Even just the earlier proposals of one station in Manchester, one in Nashua, one stop in Lowell, and then Boston was enough to make a rather long total commute. That further reduces the usability of the service.

Is there any actual data on how many people would utilize this service and the expected cost?

I see lots of people with extreme opinions (pro and con) in posts here but I would argue that it would be worthwhile to have a rough idea of what the cost per passenger is. There are other potential public transportation options such as busses that may (or may not) be much cheaper and easier to implement. Or perhaps there are simply not enough people that do a daily commute from Manchester/Boston to support a railway.

All I'm saying is where is the data?

you need to go through the option provided by your utility provider. They should have a portion of their site dedicated to the available choices with that provider and the steps to sign up.

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At this point I find $0.12 per kWh to be suspect. Chances are this is a rate that was available and is being used to farm more people to sign up with them.

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But lower prices and no commitment are available, however there is no real reason to not commit to t along term option as the rates for electricity aren't going down any time soon.

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Personally I sign up for the lowest possible rate (which was $0.13 per kWh for 100% renewable) for the longest possible time (36 months when I did it last September).

Nope. Everyone keeps asking me that. I checked my lease yesterday and talked to the property manager and no they do not require it.

Things we like to do:

• Ski. Lift tickets and rentals are expensive, but smaller mountains can be done for ~$100/day. Having your own gear is cheaper (and more comfortable) long term. Some places do seasonal rentals with inexpensive options to buy at the end.
• Find walkable towns. I love drinking hot coffee outside on cold days while wandering in and out when it gets too cold. You don't have to buy anything, but you can find new interests.
• Hiking. It's warmer than you think.
• Photography. It doesn't require fancy gear. Use your phone. Get close up, take photos of friends, create weird scenes.
• Walking on ice. Potentially dangerous if you don't know the lake, but some parks allow/semi-encourage it and ice fishing huts are a good sign.

Jesus fucking christ, every year the Assholes who moved here from Assachusetts parade this project around. If you're so bitter about your commute (that you knew about when you moved), just move back.

Don't let the door hit yah where the good lord split you.

Wow, so someone asks you to not take their money by force, for a service they likely won’t use, and you’re resorting to attacking them? Jeez that’s a sick attitude.

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Well, if that's the case, why are we considering spending billions on a rail system when asking 10,000 to move closer to their work places makes more sense?

There has been exactly like two studies on this thing, and they just kill the last one before it was even complete.

Dont be short sighted and I’m not going to get into the indirect benefits of this rail project because if you can’t see them by now it’s on you.

Go look at the current housing boom in the granite street area of Manchester which is smack dab in the middle of where one of the stops will be. It’s no accident.

These things never get off the ground because of obstructionism in concord.

This last study was a design build study, it was to be the last one before they made the final decision to build and would have had different alternatives.

There are literally so many indirect benefits to rail.

We don't have enough fucking affordable housing as it is, allowing people to flee here for (what used to be) lower cost of living isn't going to help.

If we can't house the people in the state now, is an infrastructure project that doesn't really benefit us by providing an employment base and taxes to Assachusetts really seem like a fuckin' priority?

Exactly! Usually when I go to a bruins game I take the orange line in from malden. Which makes it easy to get out of the city but traffic is BRUTAL to get there. A few weeks ago I was going down for a game and ended up sitting in traffic for nearly 2 hours because of an accident.

Not all narcissists are free staters but all free staters are narcissists

Stop driving on my roads that I paid for out of my pockets then….

We've been here many times before. Nothing gets built. To me, the whole thing is a scam so that the politicians can hire consultants that are probably connected in some way to their supporters to come up with but another study. The thing has been studied to death and still they do more studies.

That's one of the biggest reasons I support the bill to kill this thing. The state and the two cities are incapable of pulling off a project like this.

Plus there's a housing crunch. Commuter rail might be used to lure people into the area, but there's no place to put them. The only people likely to use it are people that already have a way of getting to work or wherever. Seems rather pointless.

> These would be newer and cleaner and full of middle class workers and professionals.

I fit that bill. I still would prefer to drive myself. Maybe I'm just jaded because of my prior experience on buses, or maybe it's just that I hate being in close proximity to other people. Even commuter trains give you SOME room to stretch your legs, stand up and walk around that busses simply don't.

These would be newer and cleaner and full of middle class workers and professionals. Maybe even extend some stretches of HOV lanes to make it even more attractive. Load it with racks for bikes, e-bikes, scooters, yuppies love that shit. Not to mention the green aspect, you could sell that pretty well too.

Imagine a bus leaving from Manchester (Concord , Nashua) every ten minutes during morning commuting hours and you get access to the quick-moving HOV lane for a smooth 60-75 minute ride to Alewife or West Medford.

It’s hilarious you think I make only like 80k a year lmao