One study found a 4-to-1 return over 10 years: https://www.masstransitmag.com/management/article/21072535/apta-study-public-transit-investment-stimulates-a-4to1-return

So, averaging it out, in 2.5 years.

The source might be biased because it's a public transit advocacy org, but I haven't found any other studies.

It's California cancer.

They can no longer afford to live in the state they voted into the ground, they flee to somewhere (usually fiscally conservative) and vote for the same shit that ruined state one. Repeat. I mean fuck, I got an Instagram reel of 3 female roommates laying $6,000 a month for a 3 bedroom house. Imagine paying $2,000 a month to have two fucking roommates still and thinking "yep, I'm of sound mind to make economic decisions for everyone else."

No sane person "loves" paying taxes. It goes to a finding a corrupt system that gets more corrupt the further you get from where you live. By the time it reaches DC, there's very little chance that any of the money you paid goes to anything that benefits you or your community.

MA is much more liberal than NH, and they have the option to pay a higher tax rate if they want to. Hardly anyone ever does. That's how much they love paying taxes.

Maybe we should improve transit and housing.

lmfao WHO WANTS AND NEEDS THEM? People who don't like or care about the way of life here and want to make New Hampshire like whatever congested shithole they're fleeing?

Manchester is it's own Metro area, dipshit. Connecting it to a larger one with more competition isn't going to improve conditions here, it's going to improve them for whoever we take the slack from.

Congratulations, you don't get it. That's what's already happening and yet, we're still not building affordable housing. Rents up the Coast of New Hampshire have sky rocketed the past two years to Boston rates. Manchester is getting there unless you want to live with either cockroaches, drugs or robbery. NO ONE IS BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TAKING AWAY THE HOUSING HERE FOR NEW PEOPLE WON'T MAGIC NEW HOUSING INTO EXISTENCE.

I highly recommend the Merlin app for your phone where you can log your sightings on your "life list." It's 🆒😎

Snow shoe Making igloos

If you have no use for any services that taxes fund, then you really have no need to participate in society at all. On the other hand, if you are using the services but not paying for them, that would be a sense of unfounded entitlement.

Paying taxes gives me security and services. And liked-mind folks who like those things choose to enact and pay for them. The system we use for that is called a government, which we made, specifically for awesome stuff. So we also made up money to facilitate all this. You get to use money. You don't "make" it because it is symbolic.

While I believe you'll be proven wrong, I think this comment is hilarious.

Cars ARE freedom!

Freedom from the driver having to pay for the polution they generate

Freedom from the driver having to pay the full price to maintain the roads

Freedom from having less lethal forms of transportation available Freedom to sit in traffic!

Freedom to be "randomly" stopped searched and ticketed

Cars are all about freedom man!

It's a nice paradox. People move here because the higher density cities they work in aren't good to live in. But then they want the same services here so that our cities can grow to become the same thing they left because it was unlivable. It's really twisted.

I thought about that, but I also was thinking of the fact that the boston area has far better shopping options. But you're right. If you could take an hour ride on a train on a day off, you could save a bundle on taxes.

No, but Manchester will remain the biggest shithole within 75 miles of Boston. All the other shitholes near Boston have gotten a lot better over the last 10 years. Manchester has gotten a lot worse. It’s the only one without commuter rail. That’s not a coincidence.

When they finish east-west rail, it’ll only be a matter of time before Manchester falls behind Springfield and Hartford, too. You’re cutting off your own dick to spite your masshole.

Mays the best time to hike to me.

Bugs? It’s NH use spray, walk fast, and just deal with it lol.

Weathers nice, cool mornings, warm days, long sun hours. Ideal to hiking to me, nothing worse than a 97 degree humid day.

Bring microspikes. Be prepared for changing weather

>There has been exactly like two studies on this thing, and they just kill the last one before it was even complete.

There have been continuous studies all the way back to the trial run in the 80's.

I know no one would openly commit MA tax fraud by hoping the rail to a retail district in NH and skipping out on sales taxes.

But if they did...I'm pretty sure we'd benefit.

Do you understand that having affordable transportation to places like Boston would bring the people we want and need that would demand affordable housing in metro areas?

The employment base and taxes aren't here now. What do you propose to bring them here? You know what would do it? Affordable transportation to metro areas.

Set up the commuter rail, let people work in Boston, live in Manchester. Those folks take over all the expensive apartments and condos being built. Those folks go out to eat, shop, entertain, utilize services etc IN NH. Those services need people to work at them. Those people need places to live. Affordable housing is then built for those people. Right now there isn't enough demand OVERALL for the lower priced housing. Sure everyone complains that housing is too expensive. What do they do? They leave. Because not only is there not enough housing, there aren't enough decent jobs available either.

And New Hampshire won't collapse without commuter rail

> The rail link will be profitable once we cut the dead weight by banning cars.

Not happening in our lifetimes. The rail service serves a very narrow corridor. It's not going to replace private vehicle use in any significant way. You can add in bus lines to service the stations, but that's making a train trip that's already too long even longer. And it's still a fairly narrow service corridor.

And yet he's still using the same talking point here.

Nope.

Least we not forget cars are one of the most deadly forms of transportation per mile traveled. In terms of externalities that's huge.

>Patriots and true Americans love to pay taxes

Well there's some 100% grade A bullshit.

How’s your crypto beanie baby portfolio holding up without the backing of the evil State’s monopoly on violence? Your money only has value because the government accepts it as payment for taxes.

Then I would argue that we should perhaps support funding of a study, but not the railway (yet).