Making someone else grow something in their own body without a choice is far more horrifying. A fetus may never make it to being born alive. The women already is a real, live person. Trust her to make the correct decision for her own situation/health.

>There is simply no guarantee the fetus will be born alive. So the only real person in this situation is the women who is growing the fetus.

That's absurd. This is some "Schrodinger's cat" type of logic. We do know that abortion will end the life. Without any unethical medical intervention, a live birth is the likely outcome.

> Her decision should be the only one relevant.

Not if you're going to argue bodily autonomy. There are two bodies. You can't dismiss one simply because they can't consent.

No one terminates a pregnancy after 6 months because they want to, and forcing a grieving mother through a legal battle to decide if a pregnancy is an acceptable exception is cruel. The decision should be between the woman and her doctor; no one else needs to be involved.

It is what it is.

If it can't be removed from the mother and become a functional human why would you call it a human?

Yep, that's pretty much my exact stance actually. But when I called myself pro choice I was attacked so yeah, any idea if this goes to Senate next or what's the next step?

Should be legal for medical purposes that can lead to complications and or death situations, or r#pe. But for just a regular abortion, personally I believe it shouldn't be done after a heartbeat is detected but I am also pro freedom of you own body so allow the operations to be done just don't use taxpayer money. You want it done then you can pay for it out of pocket.

I get it, but I'm referring to the GOP attempts (stated in the article) at getting the 6-week ban passed. 24 weeks is pretty much the "standard" all around the world, and was itself a compromise based on Roe, which obviously is not in force now.

That's how I took it. I don't like the term "Karen", but it's a thing and I've never seen more of them, or to such unbearable degrees, than in Portsmouth, and I've lived in a lot ritzier places than this. For body dysmorphia, I'd say people here take a little better care of themselves, then once you get inland, it goes the other way on average.

Everyone is complaining about the inaccuracy of this, meanwhile my area is pretty dead on.

One of my inept coworkers tried to break into my parents lake house while it was under construction to steal the copper pipe

His wife was 22, buttt on her third baby, so a teenage pregnancy was definitely somewhere in the mix

>Before that it's a parasite

What an interesting view of life...

This seems like a good time to give out this free sex education book and the published version here

>Maybe someone should show Sellers
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>what a fetus looks like at nine weeks

9 weeks is a bit different then at 24 weeks which the bills just passed.

But the main point you’re missing is that in the eye of the law, a fetus is not a person. If it were, give them a social security number, let them get insurance, count them as a dependent. And when life begins/when a fetus becomes a person is a personally held belief that differs between people and religions. Catholicism says it’s at conception, Judaism says it’s at the first breath. And nobody is right or wrong because such a belief is so deeply rooted in spirituality that the government has no business deciding what is “true.”

And people aren’t getting abortions out of “convenience.” Often it is a matter or life or death because pregnancy literally puts a mothers life at risk. High blood pressure, blood clots, and homicide kill pregnant people all the time.

As far as your last comment goes, a fetus has no capacity to feel pain until 24 weeks, let alone have sentience to understand life or death or anything like that.

Yeah, but I'm guessing that's the only part we would agree on is legality for safety reasons 😂

24 weeks termination up to fucking 6 months in, end of the second trimester?

A Baby born early at 24 weeks has a 60-70% chance of survival. How does this not sicken people? At that point it's indisputably a baby. I'm all for exceptions for assisting when the baby is terminal or won't be able to survive, but fucks sake. Allowing an otherwise healthy baby to be terminated at 6 months in is just horrifying.

There is simply no guarantee the fetus will be born alive. So the only real person in this situation is the women who is growing the fetus. Her decision should be the only one relevant. it is her body/energy/nourishment being used, and in a not very pleasant manner, either.

It's not native to North America, but has been naturalized in Florida. I used to grow a bunch in South Carolina since they have mild winters, and out in Colorado, but I do know the temps up here gets colder.

As a last resort, like you mentioned, I was thinking of keeping them at 6-8 feet inside my house. Maybe once I get my greenhouse up I can keep them in there.

So...you're pro-choice. That's literally what that means: people get to choose. The good news for the actual anti-abortion people: we think they should get to choose, too.

Didn't expect such a passionate response. I thought it was a light-hearted comment.

>no person is entitled to the use of someone else’s body to maintain their own life.

You also aren't entitled to end someone else's life for the sake of your own convenience. This isn't a case of taking an organ or marrow or anything like that. Those are medical procedures. The reproductive process is not a medical procedure, it's a natural process.

>permanent physical trauma caused by pregnancy

Pales in comparison to having your life terminated.

The term is probably technically incorrect but the gist isn't.

You should look up the case of McFall v Shimp. Even if a fetus is a person from the moment of conception, no person is entitled to the use of someone else’s body to maintain their own life. Based on your last line, the court should have ordered Shimp to go through with the bone marrow donation to save McFall.

Edit: not to mention that while a bone marrow donation is an uncomfortable procedure, it is not even close to the permanent physical trauma caused by pregnancy.

There is a strip mall, I guess it won by default because otherwise it’s no man’s land.

Can confirm lake houses. Squam Life!

There's a term for your stance, it's pro-choice