It’s a “Ma”, which is good, followed by a “nure” which is also good.

Irrelevant as were are significant benefits granted by the state by marriage that are not extended to civil unions.

>What force is occuring?

Not everybody lives by tradition, and there are some horrible people in the world that cause a force...especially for women.

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Until it's not breathing through the mother's placenta.

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Uh-huh, and what happens if you manage to breed a winterized version?

Let's not introduce a non-native species to the area.

So never for about half the population.

That's not really a scientific answer. It's a ball park guess made based on some evidence, that scientists generally sort of agree on, but there isn't really any way to know for sure, as nobody really knows how non living mater becomes living in the first place.

What people should do is mind their own business. There is no reason this should be something the government has anything to do with.

I mean they both have rentals, no? Just depending on if you have 5k or 500k in your bank account...

You said before women should be able to get abortions if their life is in danger.

So now we are just debating if You get to control them in all other situations or not based on arbitrary personal morality. The murder thing clearly isn't real, just an excuse for control. It can't be murder only in one situation, but not in another, correct?

21 weeks surprises me - how can the fetus/unborn survive outside of the womb if the brain isn't fully functional yet. Perhaps that 25-week wakeup of the brain isn't consistent, and can be earlier or later for some individuals?

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Fuck you no.

>If you approve of one kind of abortion when the womans life is in danger, you don't actually think it's murder.

Didn't say I approved of it, did I? You were using a very weak debating tactic. It's like people that bring up disabled people or children in a discussion that isn't about them, just to try to divert the flow.

Thanksgiving is literally just a harvest feast. Correct the origins and move on.

I do want to have a discussion, but clearly we aren’t going to get anywhere meaningful. I hope you have a nice weekend.

I think this is actually the best definition. Once it can maintain homeostasis organically, and I would argue without extreme interventions, it's a living individual. Until then, a fetus is no more a "person" than your liver is. Sure, it's living tissue, but it can't function or survive independent of the body it's attached to.

This is regarding FL, not NH. This invasiveness is primarily in tropical regions. It’s also used a lot in tropical regions to create bio fuel, which only increases the invasiveness in those areas.

So ultimately they agree and would like to criminalize birth control.

The question just exposes his ignorance. The sperm that inseminates the ovum is "alive", as is the ovum itself. Living things come from other living things; there's no spontaneous generation going on anywhere in this process.

What he's really trying to ask is 'when is it a person', and that's a significantly more difficult question to answer.

I'm not even sure you can describe a definition of a convenience abortion. What is that? Is having an abortion so you can take care of your other kids a lifestyle abortion? Probably by your definition. But not to the woman caring for 2 kids and already struggling.

If you approve of one kind of abortion when the womans life is in danger, you don't actually think it's murder. It would still be murder. You just want to control a woman's body based on some outdated notion of morality, but understand her dying without an abortion is really messed up and unpopular.

This. But most people don't see it that way, so it's a question of "when life begins" to most of them.

At the end of the day we assign different value to different lives and most people just don't want to admit it. Which still leaves it a contentious issue because now it's a question of where's the line where it's life is valuable enough to be protected instead of whether or not it is life. If one thing's clear it's that people disagree on where it should be.

Same difference I think? I just like the fancy technical term.