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Mysticpoisen t1_j5dvmlq wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in A woman who got wasted at a Marilyn Manson concert blew up $15 million worth of property. She's suing the company that served her. by end_of_rainbow

I was just talking about this today to a friend of mine. I'm a pretty well traveled dude, I've lived in some of the most infamously dangerous cities in America. I've done a bit of adrenaline junkie sports.

I have never felt more unsafe, or feared more for my life than when driving on Wisconsin roads at night.

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BlueberryPiano t1_j5ds1d3 wrote

Reply to comment by kevinds in A woman who got wasted at a Marilyn Manson concert blew up $15 million worth of property. She's suing the company that served her. by end_of_rainbow

Not sure about elsewhere, but in Ontario at least it's illegal to serve someone who's drunk. It's a weird paradox, but those who serve alcohol are legally required to stop serving them.

The bar cutting her off and kicking her out is different from the bar simply closing for the night, as the bar stopping service to specifically her is respecting this law.

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Raevix t1_j5dom9v wrote

Reply to comment by Maatix in A woman who got wasted at a Marilyn Manson concert blew up $15 million worth of property. She's suing the company that served her. by end_of_rainbow

Nope, I don't want to point anything out.

I just saw a lot of people talking about what will or won't happen in this thread and what is or isn't legal and not a single person citing or quoting sources so I thought I'd dump those links there so people can use them if they felt like it or just read them and form their own conclusions. I just replied to you specifically because I assume this is the thread that's going to get the most attention.

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Maatix t1_j5dnknu wrote

Reply to comment by Raevix in A woman who got wasted at a Marilyn Manson concert blew up $15 million worth of property. She's suing the company that served her. by end_of_rainbow

Now that you've linked it, do you want to point to any part of it that is against my claim?

If you're suggesting they didn't offer her subsidized taxi's, or didn't recommend taxi usage, that's going to come down to a he-said-she-said situation. She will obviously claim they didn't offer - They will obviously claim they did offer. Without proof of guilt, the bar will not be held responsible. We don't know if it was or wasn't offered.

If you're suggesting they didn't "inform guests that intoxicated persons will be put into taxi's," again, that's going to be a he-said-she-said. Obviously, she's going to say they didn't inform her a taxi was an option. Obviously, they're going to say they did offer a taxi. Again, without proof of guilt, the bar cannot be legally held responsible.

They can't force her to take options they offer, and at no point is the bar required to ensure a leaving guest takes a specific mode of transportation. Once again, they cannot be held legally responsible for her drunken decision to get in her car and drive when she knows she shouldn't. She still had the option to call for another ride, if she really didn't want to utilize their services offered. (Which we can't KNOW were offered, but seem very likely to have been offered in my opinion.)

Lastly, her two claims are opposite one another. She claims they shouldn't have let her leave because she appeared too drunk and must have been ignorant of that fact AND the fact that she was driving home - But also, claims they continued to serve her despite looking too drunk. Let's remind everyone here, she was kicked out because they stopped serving her because she appeared too drunk, and she caused a scene over it. She only got kicked out in the first place because the bar was very well aware of how drunk she was and stopped serving her because of it.

Everything she's claimed is dubious at best, and ultimately comes down to presuming the bar did EVERYTHING wrong with no evidence, and not the drunk person who got behind the wheel of a vehicle knowing they'd just gotten kicked out of a bar for being too drunk.

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