Not home, but in those cases, I usually take the train as far as I can and get a car to meet me. I do the bus sometimes. Depends on timing.

Not if you're tied down to working in the city, plenty of working class people who live IN the city have cars. You may not see it from transplants from other states but New York is still the Mecca for work. If we can understand that there's a definite population that exists between poor and middle class, who can own a car out of necessity/want (driving kids to and from programs, traveling out of state) but are still living pay check to pay check....we can circle back to original point. Who's more likely to not want to pay that toll bill? 🙄. A population that's more likely to be poor or well off?

Big Dig was expensive but had major technical issues this project would not have. Also, even with the huge costs, it surely has created over $22B in value to the city of Boston already. Getting rid of BQE in front of Brooklyn waterfront might do the same, although since the vast majority of the area is already very expensive and landmarked (justifiably) this might not create the sort of building boom seen up north.

> prime real estate that was otherwise earmarked for affordable housing

No way. You actually think Plaxall was going to fill that space with "affordable housing?" Show me an article from a reputable news source that says that.

What's selfish is the amount of money and land devoted to car infrastructure that is the least efficient and most polluting mode of transportation on earth lol. It's questionable if what is paid even comes close to the "real cost". 247 people were killed in traffic crashes last year, has that cost been reflected in the tolls and taxes? I'm willing to bet no.

> well as long as it doesn't affect me fick em

That's funny cause that seems to be the attitude of many car drivers in this city, when we propose anything that might inconvenience them.

> congestion is brought in by people who don't live there

No, congestion is caused by too many cars on the road regardless who is driving. Just cause I live somewhere and drive doesn't mean I'm magically not part of the problem.

> People who live in the zone

The zone also literally has the most subway transit in the entire country, am I supposed to feel bad wealthy residents want the subway and a car but feel inconvenienced driving? I would love to live where they live but wow shocker I can't afford it. Let's not be so greedy here, or overestimate the imagined suffering of people able to not only live in some of the most desirable areas in the city but also afford a car. I don't even live in Manhattan and couldn't afford car payments or insurance even if I wanted, sorry but I'm not exactly gonna weep for this "plight"

> Couldn't you force trucks onto Furman street

Potentially, but the turn at Old Fulton may be problematic for trucks, it would need to be studied. Any truck diversion route would of course get pushback from local communities as well, complicating the problem. Trucks going northbound on Furman can't re-enter the BQE until Sands Street, which again could be problematic but may be the best option.

> So build a new temporary trucks only road through the park.

Definitely not possible, Parks dept would absolutely not allow destruction of park property for such a use case, nor is park land suitable for trucks. It may also be impossible given the terrain and geography of the park, as well as multiple buildings in the way. I think 'environmental disaster' would be the headlines used for such a proposal lol. Much of the park includes piers and water front activities that should remain accessible regardless of construction, so it's not as if the park will be vacated.

I thought ezpz would let on that I was being sarcastic

The scope of Congestion Pricing was decided to fall under NEPA, the National Environmental Policy Act, and the government eventually decided that an EA was necessary. With NEPA, you must perform a study to create what is called an Environmental Assessment (EA) or, in the most stringent cases, an Environmental Impact Statement. These studies qualify and quantify what impacts, if any, your project has on various aspects of the environment and population. You submit your study and then await a decision, the end goal being a FONSI, or "finding of no significant impact" which will allow you to proceed with your project. They can be quite extensive and costly to perform, often at thousands of pages in length with up to 20 appendices. EAs and EIS are quite common for major projects and developments, NYC has its own processes related to NEPA, called CEQR: City Environmental Quality Review, as well as a state version called SEQR (State Environmental Quality Review).

You can read more about NEPA here: https://www.epa.gov/nepa
CEQR: https://www.nyc.gov/site/oec/environmental-quality-review/ceqr-basics.page
CEQR process: https://www.nyc.gov/site/planning/applicants/environmental-review-process.page
SEQR: https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/357.html

Who is obtuse? What is the rate of car ownership in NYC and urban NJ? Poor people aren't driving around much here. This isn't Mississippi. A car is an unnecessary luxury item here.

I was told to take the Metro North train from Grand Central 4 stops to Pelham. The walk from the stadium is under 1 mile and passes pizza shops, bars, parks, etc...

I hear the new stadium is beautiful and should be worth the effort to get there.

Metro North

Don't mean that, no. I mean a physical building. Amazon, unfortunately, uses trucks as the logistics center and will have up to a dozen workers unpack and sort the contents right there in the street or sidewalk and often, as you mention, block bike lanes, bus lanes, or the road itself. There is some discussion about moving this behavior to actual logistics centers, and discussions about zoning that would allow this, since "warehousing" is technically a different zone type then retail. In the case of Whole Foods, however, they park bikes outside the store where they load them and send them out, that's the more ideal model, or if they were to rent space to use as storage hubs. I'm opposed to their truck model, unless, they can park it safely. That's another discussion though about curb management.

I see that argument, but I think the rule of law is important. If the fare evader has a job he should pay, if he doesn't we should fund programs to get him reduced price tickets. Inaction makes the police look bad and rewards unlawful behavior.

The point is to route traffic around the CBD, though. If you make all roads cost the same, then people will say "well, I'm paying the same shit anyways so I might as well continue cutting through Manhattan". The entire purpose of congestion pricing is to route people around Manhattan rather than through it.

I agree, the tunnel is the least disruptive option with the best result. Brooklyn Heights residents should help pay for it before the current structure collapses. Otherwise their shield from construction noise will be gone.

Some of the proposed rebuilds have a light rail line.

even dollar I would take that over the 2nd ave subway extension.

This would be the least of them. It has a clear goal.

Idk man. They’re waiting for something to go down or an insane schizo to be jerking off in front of a 7 year old. The comments “nypd doing there thing” when if they stopped a black guy for this would get ridiculed as well. Just leave them alone lol

This guy is going to end up actually being what everyone thought Dinkins was, but actually wasn't. And the tragic thing is absolutely nothing quality...much less something line the banger US Open deal...will come of it.

I think boxing it in could be cool, but keep in mind it is already capped by the Promenade, and Brooklyn Bridge Park has a large sound barrier. Tunneling could also be completed while the current structure is in operation.

L. No

Why do they hang around in groups like this? Wouldn't it be more effective for them to individually patrol a larger area?

IDK if this is real, but seems pretty plausible. Those MTA police hang around like that in groups all the time. Just find them and then wait around until someone goes through without paying.

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