Recent comments in /f/nyc

bittoxic00 t1_jdia283 wrote

I grew up in the public school system, there were problem kids that really affected classes. The only way past it was moving to another district. These children will still be taught but I just don’t understand why some children can’t flourish in nyc without leaving their neighborhood or shelling out 50k for a private education

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AnacharsisIV t1_jdi9ta8 wrote

I didn't go to a charter, but I went to a SHSAT school that also didn't have to have ESL or special ed classes or students and my experience going from middle to high school was night and day. Do you understand how much a boon it is to your mental health to no longer worry about being bitten by your fellow student, or to go to a class and everyone is there to actually learn instead of acting out in class? If charter schools are the only way other students can get the experience I had, fucking let them.

Children who need special resources and care are entitled to them, and I hope public schools continue to be able to give that to them, but there is absolutely no reason why other students have to be subjected to them and have their quality of education be attenuated.

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AnacharsisIV t1_jdi8p7z wrote

I actually, broadly, am in favor of charter schools. The problem I have is that, well, charter schools are a quasi-business and there are market forces at play for them that public schools have no control over, but still effect them.

When a charter school in an area does well, parents pull their kids out of local public schools and put them in the charter. I don't have a problem with that, though I also acknowledge that it quickly creates a stratified system where the only kids in charter schools speak fluent English and have no developmental disorders, and would also come from more moneyed families, leaving the public school in the area to basically be nothing but ESL, Special Ed and desperately poor students (who often fall into one of the other two categories, either). This creates a feedback loop; no parents want to put their kids in the public schools, the schools' funding dries up, and the schools start being closed down or downsized such as having to share buildings with charter schools.

Now, we have a new dynamic; the charter schools aren't renting space from the BoE to share a building with a public school anymore, they're now profiting from the public schools becoming shittier. It creates a perverse incentive, in my opinion, where the charter schools can now make money by diminishing the local public school to the point where they have to rent from the charter.

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bat_in_the_stacks t1_jdi83w3 wrote

They are legally mandated to be taught. The charters, which are publicly funded, kick out the problem cases. The kids go back to regular public schools. Then the charters advertise how their test scores are higher and their graduation rates are higher than regular public schools. They use this to justify funding more charters. As this cycle progresses, they suck up more and more of the public school funding due to the unfair playing field.

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jdi7txl wrote

Oh please, it’s not about being “woke” in the opposite direction. It’s about being an adult. Editors and publications intentionally avoid addressing certain issues outright because of race.

A white kid shoots up a school and we need to address national gun control. Black people have been killing each other with guns in droves for the past 23 years and not a peep about gun violence.

Blacks actively targeted and killed asians during the pandemic, not a peep again. Had it been a white issue, they’d be equating modern violence to what Asians experienced in the 19th century.

There is a clear double standard.

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mdervin t1_jdi7p9p wrote

"Double Dipping" is charging twice for the same service/item. Hotels charging a mandatory "resort fee" is double dipping. This is providing two different services and getting paid for each of them.

You may not like the existence of charter schools (and there's plenty of reasons not to like them), but if you are renting a building to the city, it's not some great crime for the city to pay you market rent.

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EDIT: This is a serious concern,

>DOE is paying entire cost of the lease rather than per pupil amount, totaling nearly $43 million in FY 2023 – and in these cases, it is unclear if the rent charged to DOE is inflated or assessed at fair market value.

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