People like you are incapable of understanding that multiple factors can be in play. I didn't say that its solely driven by WFH. I'm saying that's probably a contributing factor.

A lot of jobs in the city relied on lower income and middle income people commuting in from the outer boroughs. People with clerical jobs, working in retail, white-collar jobs that still require you to be physically in person. When these jobs go, it becomes harder to afford living in the increasingly expensive boroughs.

My point still stands. The idea on reddit was that the boroughs are thriving and Manhattan has suffered. Based on the population counts, it looks like its been the opposite. Losing population is not my idea of thriving.

Eh, if they want to climb stuff for the thrill they can feel free to go solo at the Gunks.

Wrong is wrong.

MSK is a disaster. Its wildly mismanaged. Its become an industry punching bag for good reason. They have become one of the worst actors in the state health care system. They've been plagued by scandal since just prior to the pandemic when their C suite execs got caught taking payoffs from drug companies and trial sponsors without any type of disclosure. They sold their tissue databank to a proprietary start up artificial intelligence company that happened to have a CEO on the board of the hospital. This was after they went all in with an IBM that heavily overpromised and underdelivered on AI led analysis which led to a ton of mistakes on patient diagnostics. The CMO resigned and the CEO resigned from the boards it turned out he was conflicted on. Then after the pandemic hit the CEO also resigned from MSK. They only begrudingly took COVID patients during the pandemic but still got $100 million in pandemic aid. If they treated 500 patients by then I'd be shocked. And they had no qualms about it either, which Mediciad patients were crowded 5, 6, 7 to a nurse in the public hospital ICUs.

This "hospital" routinely gets caught overbilling the state for uncompensated care, at the same time they have the lower percentage of Medicaid patient of any hospital in the city. And their actual outcomes are slightly worse than the state owned public cancer hospital Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo.

If their board decides what they really need right now after years of losses is a brand new shiny east side skyscraper...that's fine they can go borrow money and build it. The taxpayers shouldn't put a dime into or backing their debt because on their own they would be in complete junk bond status.

Yo, Webcrims updater, where's Vitaliy Konoplyov's case? Stop deleting things, it's very uncool. I'm surprised nobody's sued yet.

It would get crowded in the neighborhood where they put it

It's not spin. The point is that NYC is always losing population to domestic out-migration. Usually that population is replenished by immigrants.

But it has not been.

Sometimes you don’t want a tower to block the sun from your window. Am I being selfish…probably. At the same time…it’s Manhattan. It’s not so black and white. Also I don’t live near there but still

all good points. thanks for sharing.

fair enough. thanks for the information.

So you are making an assumption that the population went down in the outer boroughs because.... The restaurants and coffee shops aren't doing as well as some people say they are? Please explain how you made this jump.

It's equally likely that people left because it's not worth it to commute to Manhattan everyday from those boroughs when the rent is so fucking high and the housing stock is so low.

Numbers are numbers. I don't fault that. For the Post say "foreign" or "international" arrivals sounds like it's missing people from other states. I fault the Post for that bs spin they put on it. The Post skewed it.

News to me. Mine are still in the booth.

The cost of those lab conversions in NYC are pretty eye watering but the cost of the construction isn’t the biggest driver of organization looking at new buildings. It’s all these new energy laws for New York. Labs require a ton of energy to run for gases, fume hoods, air exchanges, computing etc.. The building energy use ratings for converted labs are hanging heavy on these organizations. It’s all happening pretty fast with Local Law 97. Even if you built a new building that opened last year, if you have natural gas or a cogen unit your outdated.

Not to mention the compromises that New York labs make when converting old spaces. It’s not the same as most labs in the country. You have serious coordination issues with all the services and you pretty much reduce the average space design of a lab by 30% compared to the global benchmark. So you end up building a $2-4k/sqft lab with 30% less space than your experts told you it should be. Or you address the renewable energy issues, build the right floor heights, design the building for labs with have a proper utility core and make the spaces 20% smaller than recommended, all while building for around $1800/sqft when you include all the nonlab spaces of a new building.

Its a complex issue that a lot of folks are trying to address. So while lab conversions are thing, everyone complains about them, they are expensive, and they cost even more to run because of the cities energy conservation requirements.

uh

And… Men have been doing noise like this for years. Women do it and then it’s a problem?

I have mine so F off, sounds about right

The data is not skewed. It's literally from the census.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023/population-estimates-counties.html

The data is skewed. It only counts "foreign" or "international" arrivals. THAT'S typical of Post reporting.

The city has some fairly strict regulations around research labs because the city is so densely populated. Newer buildings can, for example, store more flammable solvents safely under the fire code (which is more strict than EPA regulations).

Ventilation in the buildings, especially one doing heavy research in a city, must also be extensive. The building I did my graduate research in was updating ventilation for the entire duration of my degree and it still wasn’t working well.

Maybe you’ll get lucky and have a window in the cancer ward

31 stories high is not a skyscraper by nyc standards

Delete this pls

It would be really great if this happened, MSK does primarily translational research, which is focused on bringing treatments from the lab into the clinic. An expansion to facilitate could really help improve and speed along research!

msk is more than a hospital lol. calling one of the best cancer care/research centers in the world inefficient is absolutely insane.